Blog:Episode framegrabs or promo images in the infobox

Many users have been putting the promotional images for episodes in the infobox, while some are putting episode framegrabs in the infobox. So I propose that we have a vote on whether promo images or episode framegrabs should be in the infobox. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 07:49, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

Vote

Episode framegrabs

1. I think promo images should always be in a "Promotional images" section at the end of the episode page. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 08:39, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
2. Framegrabs should be used in the infobox. As Cook879 said, not all episodes are provided with promos. The episode pages should look uniform - not some with promos, some with framegrabs. --Effluvium 09:38, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
3. Ditto. --WebkinzMania 10:47, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
4. Cake walk. fit the infobox better in my opinion and look better, promos in a different section would look nice as well however. Josegiraffio 17:36, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
5. I agree with Phinbart. There should be a section dedicated to promos and just any framegrab from that episode. --Fred (Talk • Contribs. • Editcount) 20:26, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
6. I think promo's should not be used for the infobox because: 1) Promos are typically portrait, not landscaped (taller than wider) which will push the infobox down farther, keeping the text compressed until the infobox ends (compressed used loosely, the text actually is not squished together, it just cannot use all the space); and 2) Many promos do not show anything that the episode is about, promos of most recent seasons typically will only have a guest star or two and maybe a Simpson (ex. the promo for "Any Given Sundance" does not show what the episode is about, and framegrabs will). DaRanger ^(Talk) 16:16, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
7. DaRanger read my mind on this. Dohayecarumbadoh 15:55, 13 April 2012 (EDT)
8. Not every episode has a promo, every episode will have some good framegrabs to choose from. Also everything DaRanger said. --Nick97 ^{(talk ~ contribs)} 19:34, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

Promo images

#I always prefer promos as they are official images released by FOX. Some users might be looking for promos, and not know you can find them when you scroll down (alternately, with the promos they release today, they might not realise there's a promo for the episode at all :P). Anyway, I'm sticking with promos. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 10:27, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

Promo images when available, even if the infobox image ends up being duplicated further down the page in a gallery of promotional images. As Random pointed out, the promo images are official, and therefore most likely to be associated by the general public with the episode. Also, the promo images are likely to be of good quality. Since the infobox image is pretty much the first thing a visitor notices when arriving at an episode page, it makes sense to have the episode put its best foot forward, as it were. On the flip side: If promo images aren't available, or if they're of "meh" quality, then use a good-quality framegrab for the infobox. -- Mythigator 12:08, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

#FatHomer^Talk 06:11, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

1. Convinced. --Wk (talk) 06:05, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
2. Promo images go in the infobox where available. The Solar Dragon 06:16, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
3. -- cjc 07:24, 14 April 2012 (EDT)
4. Promos LiSaLoVr2OoO 23:59, 16 April 2012 (EDT))

Either when suitable

1. I don't think promos should always be used, just when they fit the episode. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 11:01, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
2. If the promo it's a picture from the episode we can have it, other no. /AleWi 10:40, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
3. --Cook879 13:22, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
4. "Either when suitable" better summarizes my position. I would still lean toward using promo images, though. -- Mythigator 03:08, 20 April 2012 (EDT)
5. FatHomer^Talk 12:49, 20 April 2012 (EDT)

Comments

• I think it depends on the episode - not all episodes have promos.--Cook879 08:39, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
  • Looks like I'm getting outnumbered. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 10:49, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
    • Yeah, Mythigator, I always try to remove the logo if we put a framegrab in the infobox. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 12:37, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
      • Also, I think we should have this policy:
      • If an episode has a promotional image, it should have the promo in the infobox. If an episode has multiple promos, the one best suited to the episode title or plot should be put in there (e.g. the promo image feturing Apu for "Exit Through the Kwik-E-Mart", as Apu owns the Kwik-E-Mart). If none of the promos are suitable for the infobox, put a good framegrab (episode screenshot) in the infobox. If an episode doesn't have any promos at all, just put a good framegrab in then infobox.
      • | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 12:37, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
        • Nicely summarized. -- Mythigator 17:13, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
          • Images in the infobox are 250px. Images in galleries are a lot smaller, 120px. Viewers will probably want to see the promo easily, not have to click on the image to get a full-sized version. And even if you did have a gallery of other promos, you would still get a good image in the infobox. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 10:35, 9 April 2012 (EDT)
            • DaRanger, yes, some promos are not suitable for the episode, like The D'oh-cial Network, so we used a framegrab. But we can still use promos for some episodes. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 18:04, 10 April 2012 (EDT)
              • I think that the wiki should use one or the other (promos or framegrabs), otherwise the episodes pages will look like there is no clear formatting for images (which is why we're here). Using just one for every episode will look more professional as opposed to what it is now. DaRanger ^(Talk) 16:18, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
• The only problem I can think with this is that some episodes don't have promos, so people will get confused with what's a promo and what isn't. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 16:31, 11 April 2012 (EDT)
  • So should we go ahead with episode framegrabs then? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 05:58, 13 April 2012 (EDT)
    • Should we also decide the size of the image in the infobox? FatHomer^Talk 06:30, 13 April 2012 (EDT)
      • It's always been 250px I think. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 06:35, 13 April 2012 (EDT)
        • Not yet. the vote is 6-5, not enough difference to make a change. The Solar Dragon 06:42, 13 April 2012 (EDT)
          • The vote is 7-5 now. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 16:13, 13 April 2012 (EDT)
            • It could still change, I think we should wait until April 17, unless it becomes obvious what the decision is before then. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 06:45, 14 April 2012 (EDT)
              • It's 7-7. Lots of people have voted. :| We're going to have to put this on a bit longer. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 02:16, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
                • Now it's 8-6-3. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 11:05, 18 April 2012 (EDT)
                  • I don't think very many people have noticed the new option. I think we should let this run quite a lot longer. Even if the vote on one is slightly higher. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 11:14, 18 April 2012 (EDT)
• It's 8-4-5 now. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 12:51, 20 April 2012 (EDT)
  • Should we change to episode framegrabs NOW? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 12:52, 20 April 2012 (EDT)
    • Not yet. We have a new option which many users are changing to. We need to add that to the site notice. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 13:17, 20 April 2012 (EDT)
      • Now? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 16:50, 26 April 2012 (EDT)
        • Ok, the voting is done now... FatHomer^Talk 16:44, 28 April 2012 (EDT)
          • The vote would really be 9-8 to promos without the other option. But it just does my head in to see a framegrab being used it the infobox on "Beware My Cheating Bart". | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 04:15, 29 April 2012 (EDT)
            • Right, so should we start with replacing promos with framegrabs? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 10:49, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
              • I don't know... There is still another option. Nobody from "framegrabs" has moved to it. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 12:18, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
                • Perhaps it's because they don't plan on changing to the new option. ;) I don't know about anybody else, but I'm still for framegrabs. --Nick97 ^{(talk ~ contribs)} 19:07, 30 April 2012 (EDT)
                  • But why use a framegrab for something like "Beware My Cheating Bart", when there is a perfectly good promo which is even a framegrab itself?! | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 00:49, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
                    • Most of the recent (and appropriate) promos are effectively framegrabs anyway.--Cook879 07:14, 1 May 2012 (EDT)
                      • In those cases, we should use the promo. The Solar Dragon ^{(Talk - Contribs.)} 02:19, 2 May 2012 (EDT)
                        • Okay, listen, I don't always oppose to framegrabs. Look at The D'oh-cial Network for example, the promos are framegrabs, but as they are about the sub-plot, I'm perfectly happy for a good framegrab without a logo to be used. And one is. But for an episode like Beware My Cheating Bart, the main plot is about Bart and Shauna, so the promo is good and should be used. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 03:25, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
                          • Why use framegrabs when the promo is fine? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:21, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
                            • What about if we try and get IPs and newer users to vote? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:22, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
• How about this: If the promo image doesn't summarise the plot of the episode, a framegrab should be used and if the promo image is a framegrab that summarises the plot of the episode, it should be used. So...? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 14:29, 3 May 2012 (EDT)
  • I think I'm fine with that. Read my above message about The D'oh-cial Network. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:36, 3 May 2012 (EDT)