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:They are bi in ''Simpsons''-verse like {{ch|Matt Groening}}. /[[User:AleWi|AleWi]] 10:14, 26 March 2012 (EDT) | :They are bi in ''Simpsons''-verse like {{ch|Matt Groening}}. /[[User:AleWi|AleWi]] 10:14, 26 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
::Details, please. Where does it say that? -- [[User:Mythigator|Mythigator]] 09:17, 27 March 2012 (EDT) | ::Details, please. Where does it say that? -- [[User:Mythigator|Mythigator]] 09:17, 27 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
| + | :::In [[Kent Brockman]]'s list over people that are gay in [[Bart's Comet]]. /[[User:AleWi|AleWi]] 09:21, 27 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
| + | ::::AleWi, I think you misunderstood. It doesn't state anywhere that the Winklevoss Twins are bisexual. They are seen making out with each other but it is never mentioned that they have ever liked girls either. <span style="font-family:AR Darling,Baskerville Old Face,Bell MT">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:black">The</span> <span style="color:blue">Solar</span> <span style="color:red">Dragon</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:bgreen">Talk</span>]] - [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|Contribs.]])</sup></span> 10:11, 27 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
| + | ::::They're 30 years old. It's highly unlikely they'd be referenced in an episode that came out 15 years ago because they haven't been famous for that long. Anyway, depending on what we know about them in real life, in the article they should be listed under "Hinted to be gay" or "Hinted to be bisexual" because there isn't enough in-universe information to tell for sure. -- [[User:Mythigator|Mythigator]] 14:35, 27 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
| + | :::::We may not have enough information but we have to go on the information we have, which suggests that they are gay. The scene was very short but it's all the information we have so we go on that. ☆<span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span>☆ 14:42, 27 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
| + | ::::::Just an FYI Mythigator, but I think AleWi only meant that link for Matt Groening, not the twins.--[[User:Cook879|Cook879]] 15:17, 27 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
| + | :I did some online sleuthing last night and as far as I can tell, they have girlfriends in real life. However, all the in-universe info (which isn't much) points to "gay", so I'm going to move their entry to "hinted to be homosexual". "Homosexual" because there's no in-universe information to the contrary, and "hinted" because there is so little information. -- [[User:Mythigator|Mythigator]] 09:01, 28 March 2012 (EDT) | ||
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| + | == Homer: hinted to he bi? == | ||
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| + | In "Three Gays of the Condo", Grady kisses Homer. Later when Homer is kissing Marge, he says "That was the best kiss I had tonight!" before then wondering "Or was it?" | ||
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| + | Also that part in "There's Something About Marrying" where Homer fantizes about making out with himself P; [[User:Ernest-Panda|Ernest-Panda]] ([[User talk:Ernest-Panda|talk]]) 21:13, June 6, 2016 (EDT) | ||
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| + | == Mr. Burns a candidate for the category 'Hinted to Be Bisexual?' == | ||
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| + | After reviewing this character through 600 episodes, and other forms of media (comics, games, ect.) I have come to the conclusion that I think Burns should be listed under this category. His sexuality like most other men on the show have some tinge of bisexual qualities which come for a one shot joke, however, there have been many references that Monty does enjoy male companionship in some form which pass beyond coincidental. There have been both blatant canonical and non-canonical references made in this direction (Burns was married to boxer Jack Dempsey for an unknown period of length after drinking too much in one of the comics,) Burns likes the smell of other men (season 3) Burns is seemingly flirting with a man named Phillip (season 18, ''Kill Gill vol. 1&2''.) Burns spooned with Abraham Simpson (''Simpsons Christmas Stories'',) Burns being steeped in drag culture (White Witch, one shot gags, Burns as the queen xenomorph, and so on - though technically fashion doesn't equate to sexuality this is old school coding and reference,) and ect. Outside of the running gag within the series of him flirting with Homer and well the whole relationship with Smithers steeped in heavy homoerotic coding (they were even married in ''Bart Simpson's Treehouse of Horror #18'' in a ''Rosemary's Baby'' parody) I think there are a lot of fragments here that could make him well qualified for this suspicion. | ||
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| + | [[User:SchemingMinor|SchemingMinor]] ([[User talk:SchemingMinor|talk]]) 09:51, November 23, 2016 (EST) | ||
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| + | == Leslie Robin Swisher == | ||
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| + | This character appeared in S16 E10 and S22 E11. S22 E11 also features lots of LGBTQ background characters. | ||
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| + | https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Leslie_Swisher | ||
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| + | They are a pro golfer and transwoman. When proposing to Patty at the wedding right after being discovered to be male, Swisher calls herself "a man". However, at the time this was released in 2005, "I'm really a man" was still often used by transwomen to identify themselves as trans. So, when Swisher said they were a man, they could have meant that they were assigned male at birth. | ||
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| + | Although it has not been confirmed by the creators, one trans netizen claims that Leslie Swisher is based on Mianne Bagger, a transwoman golfer who made headlines 1 year before the episode aired. This lends further credence to the argument that Leslie Swisher is a transwoman. | ||
| + | https://youtube.com/watch?v=dVXy6a7-JYQ | ||
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| + | Wikipedia also repeats this sentiment, citing many reviews of the episode. | ||
| + | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_Something_About_Marrying#Reception | ||
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| + | I say "lends credence" because apparently some people think Swisher was actually supposed to be a cisgender man who's just pretending to be a woman. TV Tropes identifies Swisher as such and does not mention "transgender" once. | ||
| + | https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TheSimpsonsS16E10TheresSomethingAboutMarrying {{UnsignedIP|2600:1015:b088:6df7:0:4:db31:6501|23:54, May 13, 2024}} | ||
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ABBIE??[edit]
If Abbie's a female,hows she an transgender as she is an female version of Homer. Sgtcook 17:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Need an Episode to Finish the References[edit]
In which episode was Martin shown to have a crush on Ralph? -- Mythigator 03:56, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
- Does anyone have any idea? Because if no one does, then the line should just be removed. -- Mythigator 14:46, 14 December 2011 (EST)
- Because no one came forward with information corroborating Martin having a crush on Ralph, I removed the line in 11 March 2012. -- Mythigator 09:12, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
Regarding my recent edit[edit]
Why was it changed, exactly? It's obvious Helen was never really a transsexual. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RevLovejoy (talk • contribs) 11:35, August 17, 2010
By the way, thank you for reminding me why I wish "disaster" had never existed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RevLovejoy (talk • contribs) 11:45, August 17, 2010
Nevermind[edit]
You put "questionable" on there. Problem solved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RevLovejoy (talk • contribs) 11:50, August 17, 2010
Winklevoss Twins[edit]
How do we know that they're bi? Do they have girlfriends or wives in real life, or in the Simpsons-verse? -- Mythigator 09:12, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
- They are bi in Simpsons-verse like Matt Groening. /AleWi 10:14, 26 March 2012 (EDT)
- Details, please. Where does it say that? -- Mythigator 09:17, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
- In Kent Brockman's list over people that are gay in Bart's Comet. /AleWi 09:21, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
- AleWi, I think you misunderstood. It doesn't state anywhere that the Winklevoss Twins are bisexual. They are seen making out with each other but it is never mentioned that they have ever liked girls either. The Solar Dragon (Talk - Contribs.) 10:11, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
- They're 30 years old. It's highly unlikely they'd be referenced in an episode that came out 15 years ago because they haven't been famous for that long. Anyway, depending on what we know about them in real life, in the article they should be listed under "Hinted to be gay" or "Hinted to be bisexual" because there isn't enough in-universe information to tell for sure. -- Mythigator 14:35, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
- We may not have enough information but we have to go on the information we have, which suggests that they are gay. The scene was very short but it's all the information we have so we go on that. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 14:42, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
- Just an FYI Mythigator, but I think AleWi only meant that link for Matt Groening, not the twins.--Cook879 15:17, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
- We may not have enough information but we have to go on the information we have, which suggests that they are gay. The scene was very short but it's all the information we have so we go on that. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 14:42, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
- In Kent Brockman's list over people that are gay in Bart's Comet. /AleWi 09:21, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
- Details, please. Where does it say that? -- Mythigator 09:17, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
- I did some online sleuthing last night and as far as I can tell, they have girlfriends in real life. However, all the in-universe info (which isn't much) points to "gay", so I'm going to move their entry to "hinted to be homosexual". "Homosexual" because there's no in-universe information to the contrary, and "hinted" because there is so little information. -- Mythigator 09:01, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
Homer: hinted to he bi?[edit]
In "Three Gays of the Condo", Grady kisses Homer. Later when Homer is kissing Marge, he says "That was the best kiss I had tonight!" before then wondering "Or was it?"
Also that part in "There's Something About Marrying" where Homer fantizes about making out with himself P; Ernest-Panda (talk) 21:13, June 6, 2016 (EDT)
Mr. Burns a candidate for the category 'Hinted to Be Bisexual?'[edit]
After reviewing this character through 600 episodes, and other forms of media (comics, games, ect.) I have come to the conclusion that I think Burns should be listed under this category. His sexuality like most other men on the show have some tinge of bisexual qualities which come for a one shot joke, however, there have been many references that Monty does enjoy male companionship in some form which pass beyond coincidental. There have been both blatant canonical and non-canonical references made in this direction (Burns was married to boxer Jack Dempsey for an unknown period of length after drinking too much in one of the comics,) Burns likes the smell of other men (season 3) Burns is seemingly flirting with a man named Phillip (season 18, Kill Gill vol. 1&2.) Burns spooned with Abraham Simpson (Simpsons Christmas Stories,) Burns being steeped in drag culture (White Witch, one shot gags, Burns as the queen xenomorph, and so on - though technically fashion doesn't equate to sexuality this is old school coding and reference,) and ect. Outside of the running gag within the series of him flirting with Homer and well the whole relationship with Smithers steeped in heavy homoerotic coding (they were even married in Bart Simpson's Treehouse of Horror #18 in a Rosemary's Baby parody) I think there are a lot of fragments here that could make him well qualified for this suspicion.
SchemingMinor (talk) 09:51, November 23, 2016 (EST)
Leslie Robin Swisher[edit]
This character appeared in S16 E10 and S22 E11. S22 E11 also features lots of LGBTQ background characters.
https://simpsonswiki.com/wiki/Leslie_Swisher
They are a pro golfer and transwoman. When proposing to Patty at the wedding right after being discovered to be male, Swisher calls herself "a man". However, at the time this was released in 2005, "I'm really a man" was still often used by transwomen to identify themselves as trans. So, when Swisher said they were a man, they could have meant that they were assigned male at birth.
Although it has not been confirmed by the creators, one trans netizen claims that Leslie Swisher is based on Mianne Bagger, a transwoman golfer who made headlines 1 year before the episode aired. This lends further credence to the argument that Leslie Swisher is a transwoman. https://youtube.com/watch?v=dVXy6a7-JYQ
Wikipedia also repeats this sentiment, citing many reviews of the episode. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/There%27s_Something_About_Marrying#Reception
I say "lends credence" because apparently some people think Swisher was actually supposed to be a cisgender man who's just pretending to be a woman. TV Tropes identifies Swisher as such and does not mention "transgender" once. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/TheSimpsonsS16E10TheresSomethingAboutMarrying —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1015:b088:6df7:0:4:db31:6501 (talk) 23:54, May 13, 2024
