Difference between revisions of "User talk:Randomno"

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Welcome!

Hello, Randomno, and welcome to Wikisimpsons!

Thank you for taking an interest in our wiki. If you have any troubles, feel free to ask questions on any experienced editors' talk page. Also, you could look at a help page.

Here are a few pages to help out new editors such as yourself:

• Help pages, your first stop if you need any help
• Editing help, in case you have questions on how to properly edit articles
• Policy pages - Failure to abide by these will result in consequences.

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Again, welcome! Cook879 07:19, 22 January 2012 (EST)

Episode names

Hi, when linking to episode names, we use speech marks either side of them. i.e. "Good Night". This includes in reference tags etc. Thanks, ☆The Solar Dragon ^{(Talk - Contribs.)}☆ 17:11, 27 January 2012 (EST)

Signature

Hi, your signature must actually state your username, it can't just be a blank box. Please read Wikisimpsons:Signature for more details. Thanks, ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 13:09, 29 January 2012 (EST)

What about an expain template thing? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 13:11, 29 January 2012 (EST)

No, it must state your username without having to hover over anything. Sorry about that. The Solar Dragon ^{(Talk - Contribs.)} 13:11, 29 January 2012 (EST)

Template:Months

Hi, I deleted your template for Months and days. This was something we discussed a while ago and we decided against it in the end. We do, however, have the "On this day" template on the main page which fulfills the same function. Thanks, ☆The Solar Dragon ^{(Talk - Contribs.)}☆ 14:55, 29 January 2012 (EST)

Where's the discussion? When I saw I had a new message, I guessed it was about that. Otherwise, we need more year pages. We include guest stars births and deaths, but only on pages with episodes broadcast back then. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 10:28, 30 January 2012 (EST)

It was decided at an editor meeting, although I can't remember which one (you'll have to look through the logs at Wikisimpsons:Editor meetings). And we won't be making any more year articles either as that would be kind of pointless. We do have the On this day template that does fulfill the features of the day articles though. The Solar Dragon ^{(Talk - Contribs.)} 10:37, 30 January 2012 (EST)

That doesn't make sense, though. And the on this day template only shows today and is quite complicated for unexperienced users to look through. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 10:42, 30 January 2012 (EST)

Welcome templates

We use the "welcomeanon" template to welcome IP addresses. -- Mythigator 11:04, 6 February 2012 (EST)

I spoke a bit prematurely. I think I see what you're trying to do (tweak the welcome templates, correct?), but the above is good to keep in mind, regardless. Sorry for any confusion! -- Mythigator 11:07, 6 February 2012 (EST)

I know what to do. I was substituting that as you're supposed to. And I fixed your signature. I have had a live on Wikia, you know (which, yes you do (I hope)). | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 11:08, 6 February 2012 (EST)

Thanks for the signature fix. I realized I screwed it up, but I didn't have time to do anything about it because I had to get to work. Again, sorry 'bout the misunderstanding with the welcome templates. -- Mythigator 15:12, 6 February 2012 (EST)

Lisa Simpson, This Isn't Your Life

The case was correct the way it was. -- Mythigator 12:55, 18 February 2012 (EST)

I don't know if it is, but I can't find out whether it is or not. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 13:43, 18 February 2012 (EST)

For episode and story titles, Wikipedia follows the convention I grew up with, which is to capitalize everything except articles, prepositions and conjunctions. With the title of the episode under discussion, Wikipedia capitalizes all of the words because none of them fall under any of those three categories. -- Mythigator 18:32, 18 February 2012 (EST)

☆The Golden Homer Award☆

The Golden Homer Award Congratulations! For your outstanding service to articles you have been awarded the Golden Homer Award for February 2012!

Tapped Out on Wikipedia.

Randomno, I see you have a Wikipedia account. Can you make an article for The Simpsons: Tapped Out on Wikipedia? Thanks, Phinbart - just one of the huge Bart fans! 06:31, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

Why would he do that? We are in competition with them you know. The Solar Dragon 06:37, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

PHINBART!!!!! Randomno, don't listen to this nonsense. --Fred (Talk • Contribs.) 06:40, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

Oh, right, hi. We're in competition with them? Anyway, people at Wikipedia don't make that many Simpsons articles, so I think Tapped Out would be in a list of Simpsons games. Still, Solar has an account too, and I don't have the game. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 06:42, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

And Fred, you conflicted me. :| | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 06:42, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

Sorry, Randomno. It is a habit of mine :P. --Fred (Talk • Contribs.) 06:47, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

I was thinking about a poor-quality article like this:

The Simpsons: Tapped Out is a game for iOS, that was first released on February 17, 2012. Phinbart - just one of the huge Bart fans! 06:53, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

I know that bit. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 06:54, 17 March 2012 (EDT)

SROAOF pics

Why are you uploading screenshots of "Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire"? Phinbart - just one of the huge Bart fans! 12:26, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

I'm going to try and do a lot more for episodes, so we can get our own framegrabs. Don't worry about the renaming part, I'll have that fixed when I do my next batch. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 12:29, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

Erm...I think we should discuss having framegrab pages at the next editor meeting - which is on Saturday. I'll add it to the list. Good idea though - I had one of uploading scans of Simpsons World. Phinbart - just one of the huge Bart fans! 12:31, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

Well, there's no bad things about it, but I might wait until Saturday then. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 12:32, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

No, there's no need to ask Cook879 to delete images - they can be kept on the wiki UNTIL Saturday and put on a framegrab page until the meeting where we will decide what to do with the framegrab pages. What were you planning to do on the framegrab pages? Were you going to implement the images with the <gallery> extension, or what? Phinbart - just one of the huge Bart fans! 14:01, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, I'll add them to /Framegrabs pages is the idea is successful. For the first image, I had previously put {{Delete}} on it as I thought it was a duplicate, but it wasn't. Anyway, they won't be deleted until further decisions are made. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:08, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

By the way, I've made a framegrab page for 7G08. Phinbart - just one of the huge Bart fans! 14:20, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

I saw. Not sure where #9 is though... Better go find it... | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:20, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

Fixed. I accidently forgot to change number nine from 9 to 8. :| | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:27, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

Prince family

Can you work on a family tree for the Prince family? Thanks, Phinbart - just one of the huge Bart fans! 07:33, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

Should be simple. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 07:59, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

It was extremely simple. And small. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 08:12, 25 March 2012 (EDT)

Framegrabs

When are you going to upload more framegrabs? [1] Phinbart - just one of the huge Bart fans! 12:54, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

Soon, but I'm on the wrong computer. Might be able to do them today or tommorrow, though. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:27, 29 March 2012 (EDT)

Randomno ^ ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 14:08, 4 April 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, keep putting it off. :P Might be able to do them when I have some spare time, but I can;t say when exactly. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:09, 4 April 2012 (EDT)

Can you do the framegrabs now? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 06:01, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

I've been trying to think of a better way to record the video, as I use HyperCam 2, and that doesn't record too well. I'll try VLC. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 06:02, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

NOW can you do the framegrabs? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 10:51, 14 April 2012 (EDT)

I'm trying to find some way of getting high quality PNG framegrabs, so hen I work it out I'll be able to do most of the framegrabs in a few days. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 10:52, 14 April 2012 (EDT)

ShoutWiki backup

Hi. I have sent a message of your (probably) interest. Regards. Emijrp 08:13, 31 March 2012 (EDT)

Thanks. I never actually got round to using ShoutWiki. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 09:06, 31 March 2012 (EDT)

Family tree

Can you also do a family tree for the Quimby family? Thanks, Phinbart - just one of the huge Bart fans! 04:47, 1 April 2012 (EDT).

Okay, sure. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 04:52, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Also, are you going to upload more framegrabs for "Simpsons Roasting" some time next week? Phinbart - just one of the huge Bart fans! 05:12, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Oh, yeah. I should be able to do them right now. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 05:18, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Sorry, got a "delay". | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 09:40, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Also, is there some way you could add Cletus and his family to the tree. According to a comic story, ("Feud, Glorious, Feud"), going back to the mid-1800s, Cletus and Homer are second cousins three times removed. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 09:21, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

Okay, I'm not brilliant on genealogy, I'll have to check WolframAlpha... | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 10:04, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

I read this page on WolframAlpha, and Homer's great, great, great, great grandfather is Rupert Simpson. If you look at this image (the person who's name looks like "pert Simpson" is Rupert), there are no Spucklers. If Cletus was female it could work, but the only explaination is that there is another silbling in the tree, female, who married a Spuckler and had a child called Cletus. And, blimey, this means I have to add in all of the Spuckler children. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 10:21, 2 April 2012 (EDT)

Remember, this is all non-canon. Also, the entire Spuckler family is second cousins three times removed to the Simpson family, not just Homer and Cletus. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 04:11, 4 April 2012 (EDT)

Not all comics are non-canon. Anyway, I know that part. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 04:13, 4 April 2012 (EDT)

☆The Golden Homer Award☆

The Golden Homer Award Congratulations! For your outstanding service to articles you have been awarded the Golden Homer Award for October 2024!

Yay! Again... Just gotta wait for Jake. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 07:08, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Done! --Jake 09:03, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Thanks. It does say "May 01, 2012", though. :| | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 09:04, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Well done, Randomno! --Fred (Talk • Contribs.) 09:06, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

I can never remember what to reply when someone says that... | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 09:07, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

What do you mean it says May 01, 2012? It is for all of April, Randomno. :| --Fred (Talk • Contribs.) 09:09, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

I mean that last month it said "April 1, 2012". This says "May 01, 2012". I'm commenting on the 01 bit. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 09:11, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Oh, okay. Does it matter? You pick up on minor things, don't you? --Fred (Talk • Contribs.) 09:13, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Yeah. :P | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 09:14, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

That is unfortunate. Don't ask why!? --Fred (Talk • Contribs.) 09:16, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

:| | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 09:26, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

Edit conflict

Randomno, you EDIT CONFLICTED me! I was about to put {{subst:Welcome}} on the new user's page! ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 04:01, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

Yeah. You gotta be quick doing it. I even put an edit summary in. :P | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 04:02, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

Your bot

Hi, could your bot change all TableBody to TB? FatHomer^Talk 14:39, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

Uh, yeah, I think I did before, somebody must have used the old wording. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:41, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

Could your bot also remove all links to "Forum:Wiki talk"? FatHomer^Talk 15:15, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

I suppose so. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 15:19, 6 April 2012 (EDT)

Simpsons Fanon

I left you a message on Simpsons Fanon. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 14:44, 7 April 2012 (EDT)

Art in The Simpsons

Hi, could you make a page about this: http://www.complex.com/art-design/2012/01/the-complete-history-of-art-references-in-the-simpsons ? FatHomer^Talk 07:39, 9 April 2012 (EDT)

I could do, do you want to start it off? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 08:56, 9 April 2012 (EDT)

Mobile main page

I asked Jake if he can make the mobile site main page you created permanently appear as the front page of the wiki on all mobile devices. But first, we'll have to make featured things templates for the mobile devices, so they're the same length as what's on your sub-page now. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 11:30, 9 April 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, I was just about to do that. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 11:32, 9 April 2012 (EDT)

Madam Bunny

Here's the image of one-eared...Binky/Bongo: File:Lisa with Madam Bunny.png ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 15:20, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

Cheers. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 15:21, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

Subpages

Randomno, do you really need ALL these subpages:

Oh, and by the way, I'll try the "99% correct reference" thing. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 06:19, 15 April 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, half of those I don't need, some start with /Finished, meaning I don't meed to update them but I want them to still be visible, and some are sandboxes. By the way, I think the reference thing is 100% correct. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 06:22, 15 April 2012 (EDT)

Oh, and Randomno, you haven't finished this. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 06:26, 15 April 2012 (EDT)

I know, I've been taking a break from family trees for a while, eventually I'm going to merge that into the Simpson family tree. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 06:27, 15 April 2012 (EDT)

Randomno, the pages you don't need, mark with the speedy delete template and I'll get onto them at some point. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 05:20, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Okay, thanks. I don't need any of User:Randomno/Sandbox8, or any of its sub-pages. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 05:21, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Umm... Why do you need all of the signature pages? --Fred (Talk • Contribs. • Editcount) 05:32, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

My signature links to User:Randomno/sig5, substituting it automatically. User:Randomno/sig5 links to User:Randomno/sig2 decides which signature I use (though currently that is a bit pointless). User:Randomno/sig4 is the coding for the signature I use. The other ones I signatures I don't use. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 05:35, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Okay then. --Fred (Talk • Contribs. • Editcount) 05:36, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Bart's age

How is Bart 8.5 in "The War of the Simpsons"? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 04:48, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

10.5, sorry. XD | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 04:48, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

IRC

Come on IRC, Randomno the great! (If you aren't already on :P). --Fred (Talk • Contribs. • Editcount) 05:38, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Of course I'm on. >_> I'm on pratically all the time I'm editing. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 05:42, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Really... Get a job, man. :P --Fred (Talk • Contribs. • Editcount) 05:45, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

What type of job? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 05:51, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

I dunno, something for random people... Wait a minute, are you old enough? --Fred (Talk • Contribs. • Editcount) 06:13, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Too young. How about wiki editor? That's a fun job. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 06:34, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Or professional gamer... --Fred (Talk • Contribs. • Editcount) 06:39, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

:| | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 06:40, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Does it ever distract you? Or are you that used to people trying to talk to you while you are editing? --Fred (Talk • Contribs. • Editcount) 04:10, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

Not really. I just give a quick reply and go back to editing. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 04:11, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

:| --Fred (Talk • Contribs. • Editcount) 04:38, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

|: | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 04:39, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

Okay... Archive time, Randomno! --Fred (Talk • Contribs. • Editcount) 04:44, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

Nah. Even if I do remove messages, I won't put them in archives. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 04:46, 22 April 2012 (EDT)

Edit conflict (again)

Could you not see the WIP template! I was editing the page! You made me lose all the transcript I'd put for ACT FOUR!!! ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 14:13, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

You didn't lose it. Sorry, I thought it might conflict. You were a complete pain, though. Don't be a pain and you won't be conflicted. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:15, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

What do you mean "You didn't lose it"? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 14:16, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

It appears in a box below my edit. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:17, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Can you put that on the page then? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 14:18, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

Put what on the page? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:19, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

The transcript for Act Four. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 14:20, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

9_9 I can't. When you get conflicted, there is a box at the top with the latest revision, the one that saved. Below, if you scroll down, there is a box containing the text you put. Any more nutterotic questions? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:22, 21 April 2012 (EDT)

lnk vs. type

IMO, lnk trumps type as it's shorter.--Cook879 16:05, 25 April 2012 (EDT)

What does lnk mean? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 16:27, 25 April 2012 (EDT)

....link--Cook879 16:48, 25 April 2012 (EDT)

Firstly, why "lnk"? Secondly, what relevance does the word "lnk" have to what it does? "type" means a type of person called x, like Phil (reporter). And thirdly, what does "IMO" mean? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 03:21, 26 April 2012 (EDT)

I'm with stupid. --Fred (Talk • Contribs. • Editcount) 03:36, 26 April 2012 (EDT)

Oh, yeah, "in my opinion" (IMO). --Fred (Talk • Contribs. • Editcount) 03:38, 26 April 2012 (EDT)

Lnk is short for Link. The template creates a Link, the template does not create a type. And what do you mean by type? Surely, the template would be called Extension as it is an extension of the name. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 04:02, 26 April 2012 (EDT)

It's an identifier more than a type.--Cook879 07:47, 26 April 2012 (EDT)

Cheers, Fred, you overgrown toenail twonk. Okay, why link? A template with the code [[{{{1}}}|{{{2|{{{1}}}}}}]] would create a link. But the name "lnk" is just stupid... | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 10:32, 26 April 2012 (EDT)

Not as stupid as "type".--Cook879 12:40, 26 April 2012 (EDT)

Why? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 13:13, 26 April 2012 (EDT)

See mine and Solar's previous messages, which are logical reasons for which lnk makes more sense then type.--Cook879 16:32, 26 April 2012 (EDT)

Logo

How do you remove the Fox logo from images? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 06:44, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

I use Paint. I only do it when the logo is mainly on the same colour. So, all you do is put a square around the logo, and copy and paste any other bits to cover up the rest of it. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 06:47, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

Posh lady

Hi, what's the issue with the Posh lady article? I built it in the first place and I've been keeping an eye on it, so if there's something that needs attention, I'd sure like to know what it is. Thanks! -- Mythigator 11:05, 30 April 2012 (EDT)

• Hmmmm ... I think I may have found it. Is it the naming issue referred to on the article's talk page? -- Mythigator 11:33, 30 April 2012 (EDT)

It's in a bit of a weird order for one. Some other things as well, including some weird sections about things. It just seems like an usual layout, mainly. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 12:26, 30 April 2012 (EDT)

That occurred to me a couple of times when I added info to the article. It looks weird because of the two "prank monkey" incidents she blundered into. With the information I had at hand when I built it, they were the centerpiece of the article; now, with the added info, the whole layout of the History section looks weird. Let me attend to it and I'll see what sorting out I can do with it. Also, have you read the discussion about her name? Do you have any info indicating that it's really Mrs. Vanderbilt? If so, that will need to be attended to as well. As for having the Description portion first, that is a bit unusual, but I don't remember why I did it that way. For some reason, it made sense at the time. However, if the article's going to get a makeover anyway, it's no problem to relocate the Description section. -- Mythigator 12:58, 30 April 2012 (EDT)

Giving the article some quick attention during my break at work: Just changing the subheaders to bullets (for the "prank monkey" incidents) makes the History section flow a lot better. -- Mythigator 13:18, 30 April 2012 (EDT)

Cheers. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 13:22, 30 April 2012 (EDT)

Transcript

Thanks for helping with the transcript! I'll make sure to put your username in the Transcript infobox when it's finished. ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 07:55, 5 May 2012 (EDT)

It's pretty simple to do them. Just remember to put ":'''Character name:'''", not ":'''Character name''':". I know Wikiquote do it the other way round but this is how we do it. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 08:15, 5 May 2012 (EDT)

IRC meeting

Is there an IRC meeting on now? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 15:22, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

Not really. We cancelled it as Solar didn't put anything on the sitenotice. >_> | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 15:24, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

We are online three online, we can't have a meeting with three users. /AleWi 15:25, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

What he means is, there are two/three discussers. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 15:26, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

Subcategory

Why does this:

Subcategories

This category has only the following subcategory. → Images - Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire

appear on Category:Images - Bart the Genius? ~ Phinbart (talk • contribs) 14:44, 11 May 2012 (EDT)

I have no idea. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 15:06, 11 May 2012 (EDT)

It appears to be fixed now, although I have no idea what I did to fix it, or even if I did it at all. I tried to replicate the mistake through other means but couldn't. ^{(Talk - Contribs.)} 15:42, 11 May 2012 (EDT)

Your sig

The link that says talk links to your contributions. -- cjc 16:08, 13 May 2012 (EDT)

They're all jumbled up. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 16:10, 13 May 2012 (EDT)

On purpose? -- cjc 16:28, 13 May 2012 (EDT)

It's confusing and annoying. change it. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 16:44, 13 May 2012 (EDT)

Why the yelling?

Why are you yelling at Cook879 over one lousy typo? -- Mythigator 14:38, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Because he is perfect?? -- cjc 14:40, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

It was mainly to do with a discussion we had a while ago. On the Lisa Simpson in: that's SO glavin! page, we were all arguing with each other for the typos that were made on the page. (Cook made two mistakes, I corrected one.) | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:42, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

CJC, I was conflicted. :| | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 14:42, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

And have you had the same sort of discussion with Phinbart, whom you also just yelled at? You may understand it's a joke, but you can't assume that everyone you yell at has the same understanding. In cyber-etiquette, yelling in the way you're doing is not only considered rude, but also even possibly hostile. There's no way you can know how the person on the other end will interpret the yell. Therefore, would you please knock it off before someone misunderstands you and you trigger a row which someone else will have to straighten out? Thank you ... -- Mythigator 14:59, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Everyone knows shouting at people is a joke here. I really can't be bothered to write a lengthy paragraph, so I'll finish it here. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 15:03, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Newcomers to the wiki won't know that. And if you do that to a newcomer you will either start a fight or run them off, NEITHER of which is something we want to happen. Again, please lay off the yelling before you cause a problem. I've said all there is to say about the issue, so I'm done. But if you keep up with the yelling and a problem results, don't be surprised if there are consequences—because you have most certainly been warned. -- Mythigator 15:14, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

I don't do it with new users. We usually expect them to make a few mistakes and I am happy to clean them up. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 15:15, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

That wasn't even my spelling mistake...--Cook879 15:36, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

But you edited the page before so you probably would've spotted that mistake. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 16:50, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Yeah, what happened to your super error correcting vision?! -- cjc 16:58, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Well obviously I didn't - What am I a spell checker?--Cook879 17:01, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Its funny, because you also missed a mistake on the Wikipedia article :P -- cjc 17:15, 18 May 2012 (EDT)

Where? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 01:41, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

http://simpsonswiki.net/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia&curid=48646&diff=383337&oldid=383135 -- cjc 05:12, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

Let's just moan at AleWi. He made both of the mistakes in the first place. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 06:22, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

(resetting margin) RANDOMNO!! You made the misses, man up and take the disses. :-) -- Mythigator 06:27, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

Was it coincidence or do you rhyme, when your talking nearly all the time? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 06:30, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

It was intentional; thanks for noticing. :-) There are other forums I participate in where I go by "Poet". -- Mythigator 07:31, 19 May 2012 (EDT)

Locations category on images

I think you may be overusing the location category on images. What's your reasoning for putting it on an image? -- Mythigator 22:51, 20 May 2012 (EDT)

Any images inpaticular? | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 02:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

One from "Radio Bart" that shows Bart falling down the well, and one from "Homer Simpson, This Is Your Wife" that shows Homer and the other husband from the reality show (sorry, I forget his name at the moment) sitting at the bar in Moe's. I'm sure there are more images this conversation could be had about, but for now let's just focus on those two. -- Mythigator 03:01, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

The well Bart is falling down is a location; and the image is not supposed to just show Bart. The promo image had Moe's Tavern in the background; it was not a slate of Ricky Gervais (the guest star in the image). Anyway, I'll be back later today. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 03:25, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

As I said on IRC, everywhere in show's a location. Not worthy images of it they are not. You want the exterior of Moe's and the well, as they can best represent the location.--Cook879 04:25, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

That reasoning doesn't work, Randomno. Here's the problem: Suppose you have a collection of 200 books and you're sorting them into categories, let's say by putting labels on them like we put the category tags on the images on the wiki. Some of the books are hardbacks and some of them are paperbacks, so you label them accordingly; and then also create category labels for what genres the books belong to: fiction or non-fiction; sci-fi, adventure, fantasy, mystery, reference; and so on. But then, since the books all belong to you, you make a category label called "Randomno's books" and put it on all the books. The problem is that in doing so, you've just wasted a bunch of time because the category doesn't tell us anything new about the books. You can take a book down from the shelf and see that it has a label saying it's one of Randomno's books, but so what? We know that all of the books on the shelf belong to Randomno, so the category and labels you worked so hard to create are useless because they don't tell us anything we didn't already know. In order for the category labels in your book collection to be useful, they have to tell us something that makes that book (and others like it) different from the rest of the books in your collection. The "Randomno's books" label, therefore, is useless.

On the wiki, strictly speaking, every image we have could be considered to be at a location, but if you apply that category to every image on the wiki, you make the category useless. Similar to the books example above: "It's got the Locations category, but so what? They've all got the Locations category." Therefore, you need to limit your use of the Locations category only to those images that do a good job of representing locations. For example (as Cook879 already mentioned), exterior views of Moe's Tavern and the well, or a "wide-angle" interior panoramic-style view of Moe's that shows a substantial portion of the inside. -- Mythigator 08:45, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Myth, do you always have to use massive paragraphs when contributing to a discussion? Anyway, if somebody uses an example, I like to re-use that example.

As you said, I could have 200 books and I want to put labels on them. Say one book is about a girl called "Alice" (coincidentally called Alice), one called Wonderland, and one called Alice in Wonderland. And let's say they all have the some cover; a picture of Alice in Wonderland. For the Alice book, I would label it "Characters", as it is supposed to show Alice, not the background. For the Wonderland book, I would put the "Locations" label on it, as it is showing Wonderland, Alice is just inside the land. Finally, for Alice in Wonderland, I would put both the "Characters" and "Locations" category on it, as the book is about both Alice and Wonderland.

To sum up, if the image is about a location then use the locations category. If it is about a character put the character category. If it is neither of those in paticular, use both categories.

Also, Myth, your example wasn't that good. Having a shelf of my books and putting a label on them is more of a comparison to the images category. If a viewer stumbles across an image, they know it is an image; they don't need a category to tell them. I'm quite happy I was able to write my own terribly long paragraph. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 10:58, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

What's wrong with long paragraphs? And you can't criticize Myth's example if that's the crap your pulling up.--Cook879 11:01, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Not much, but he has a habit of writing them. Who says I can't criticize his example? My example was as good as his. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 11:04, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

I didn't say you couldn't, i was just calling your example crap. You're not focussing on the content of the image, instead on the name of the image. Wheter the files called "Homer Simpson, This Is Your Wife promo", "Homer and Charles Heathbar" (that was his name right) or "Homer & Charles sitting in Moe's", the image is still the same and so category-wise it should not change.--Cook879 11:29, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Fine, that's a bit of a point. Anyway, regardless of the name, it is still used on pages other than just the category page. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 11:38, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

<sarcasm>Take a look up in the sky, and you might see my point sailing completely over your head.</sarcasm> Read the paragraph again!! Granted, I am using a very simple example (a bookshelf) to explain something a lot more complicated (images on the wiki) so the example isn't perfect, but the point is that if you apply a category to every item, then it's useless. And if you can't grasp that, then you need to resign yourself to having a lot of your category additions reverted due to continued misuse of the Locations category. Your reasoning of "if it is neither of those in particular, then use both categories" is crap. Sorry, but that's how it is. -- Mythigator 12:21, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

I have already said what I think of your example. Say something about that. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 12:29, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

About what? Your ingratitude, or your example? Regarding your ingratitude, I took the time and trouble to explain what I was trying to say and you decided to get pissy about how long the paragraphs were. There's PLENTY I could say about that, but none of it would be nice. As for your Alice in Wonderland example, it shows that you have no clue about what Cook879 or I or anyone else has been trying to tell you about your overuse of the Locations category. Your reasoning is not only crap, but also is not consistent with how we've been using the image categories since long before you showed up here. What the hell else do we need to do to explain it to you, show up on your doorstep and do a singing telegram dance?! Sheesh!! -- Mythigator 12:42, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

I'm not convinced. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 12:47, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Then prepare to be reverted every time you add an image and misuse the Locations category. If you're not going to come around to the already-established way of categorizing images, then that's the way things will have to be. -- Mythigator 12:51, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Explain to me simply what you are pointing out. | | Talk | Contributions | Edit count | 12:52, 21 May 2012 (EDT)