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If you can show me one instance he is referred to as DeForest over Deforest within the show or other Simpsons media, that would make a difference. Official subtitles on the episode refer to him as "Deforest" so this is his name. Last I checked, Jack Deforest was not Humphrey Bogart, nor is he a real person. The Solar Dragon 17:41, April 14, 2024 (EDT)

If he's not a real person, I don't think anyone would mind using the proper DeForest with a capitalized F.

Also the standard you're requesting isn't consistent with other articles. I don't argue an article about a totally original character such as Kathy should be renamed to Cathy since how would have not why of know if it's meant to be with K or C so I'd of course defer to subtitles or another official source since I'm not saying official sources ought to be ignored to any and all place nor do I think anarchy would break out if the subtitles are not deferred to in every single circumstance particular if this article just went with DeForest. But again, I'm not going to pretend I don't know how DeForest is spelled because the subtitles tell me different no more than any other misspelling of a real person or place. I'm not going to pretend they picked a name out of a hat or specially picked Bogie's real life middle name, but deliberately chose to misspell it? I just look at it as "what was the point of this reference or how does it work as a joke" and the entire character is just a running riff on Humphrey Bogart. I just try to think of something else reading it and "Oh the made-up last name of Bogie-caricature is another reference to Humphrey Bogart. That's kind of interesting/funny" seems like a more likely response than "Wait what the hell, the Disney+ subtitles use a lowercase l. This wiki is totally unreliable."

I know and try to appreciate how much of your time and energy I'm taking up and often on every minor stuff and I don't want to pick a mini-battle whenever I'm not agreed with, but in spite of it all, I care. Snowball II (talk) 18:36, April 14, 2024 (EDT)

We go with the sources we have for things like names. And the only source we have is the subtitles, which refer to him as "Deforest". Could it be the case of the writer not capitalizing the F? Maybe. But that doesn't matter because this is the name we're given in the subtitles. Therefore, it is the name we use. I'm gonna use a recent example of Costas Becker to support this. His name was intended to be Kostas. It's Kostas in the script. It's Kostas in all the promotional material. However, legal had an issue with the name Kostas, so he became Costas for the episode's airing, as seen in subtitles and later in Tapped Out. Therefore, the name of his article is now at "Costas Becker" rather than the intended name of Kostas. Deforest is the official name we're given, no matter what the intentions behind the name are. So this is the name we go with. The Solar Dragon 18:44, April 14, 2024 (EDT)

But again the example isn't apt since Kostas/Coastas example is like Kathy/Cathy I already used as they're not referring remotely to any real person or place. You kept using "official" when it's just Disney+ subtitles which you haven't defer to in every circumstance before so unsure what makes beyond reproach now. I looked up reddit examples of subtitles flups such as DesMoines, but it would be silly to pretend that's the official name with Simpsonsoverse. And that's just proper names, plenty of time the wording of lines isn't right either. Again why pretend it's not DeForest since of course is a Bogie reference as is the entire character just for the sake of matching streaming substiles folks who might ever read the article won't have ever seen because behind the scenes it fits into "official" naming. I refer inform people since they can watch episode, but knowing how he's named DeForest is more informative/interesting than Disney+ subtitles. I'm unsure why bother with the subtitles since they are unneeded anymore than "The Simpsons are going to Japan" needs a subtitle to know how to spell Japan. I get DeForest isn't as well-known as Des Moines or Japan (I sear I really do), but it's just as silly to as misspell it. Snowball II (talk) 19:47, April 14, 2024 (EDT)

The point is we don't know if there was a reason for them to change the name from "DeForest" to "Deforest". We don't know if this was the intended spelling or not. We don't know if something behind the scenes made them change it. Therefore, we go with what we're given. The only source we have for his name is from the subtitles. Therefore, we go with what the source we have says. You have yet to provide a single source saying that his name is Jack DeForest. Therefore, his page should be at Jack Deforest as the one source we do have says that. If the character comes to Tapped Out and is called DeForest there, that'll be a second source for his name that contradicts the first source we have. But until then, we don't have any source to back up his name being "DeForest". The Solar Dragon 07:04, April 15, 2024 (EDT)

[1] Gracie Films' legal dept. didn't rush out to shut down this use of a capitalized F. Snowball II (talk) 07:48, April 15, 2024 (EDT)

Screen Rant is not owned by The Simpsons or Disney. The Solar Dragon 08:08, April 15, 2024 (EDT)

Neither is this fan wiki. Again I already pointed out plenty of example of speculation or defying subtitles in naming, yet this minor edit is like pulling teeth. I don't want to assume, but did you know before yesterday that DeForest was Humphrey Bogart's middle name and how it's spelled. Snowball II (talk) 09:05, April 15, 2024 (EDT)

Yes, we're not owned by Disney. However, we use the official names of characters wherever possible. We make sure that names are sourced. And if they're not and we can't find a source for the name, we move the page. Because we don't want incorrect or false information on the wiki. We're a fan wiki, not a fanon wiki. And what does it matter if I knew his middle name yesterday? The point is that the only official source we have of his name says it's "Deforest". I have checked elsewhere to see if I can find any other spelling of the character's name and I can't find a single other official source. So, unless you can pull out an official source from The Simpsons or related media that says otherwise, we're sticking with Deforest and that is final. The Solar Dragon 09:18, April 15, 2024 (EDT)

Again you only are creating a standard for me which is inconsistent with other articles, but not to answer your question with another question (which you kind of did too), but why not just state if you knew before yesterday. Snowball II (talk) 09:48, April 15, 2024 (EDT)

How am I creating an inconsistent standard? My standard is to use official sources for names. This is what I have done with this article. This is what I do with every article. How is that inconsistent in the slightest? The Solar Dragon 09:51, April 15, 2024 (EDT)