Wikisimpsons:Editor meetings/July 7th 2012
Wikisimpsons - The Simpsons Wiki
[20:00] <+AleWi> Time for meeting [20:00] <+Doh5678> So now we have enough users [20:00] <Phinbart> Just in time. [20:00] <+AleWi> Hello Phinbart [20:00] <+Doh5678> Hey Phinbart [20:00] <+AleWi> Four users [20:00] <+Doh5678> No admins [20:00] <Phinbart> Where's Solar? And Randomno? [20:00] <+Doh5678> Solar's weeding, according to AleWi :P [20:00] <+AleWi> Solar visit a wedding [20:01] <+AleWi> Not his wedding [20:01] <+AleWi> I think we can wait five minutes [20:01] <+Doh5678> No, let's start it now [20:02] <+AleWi> 1. Articles of real name in the Simpsons Calendar. [20:02] <Phinbart> I'll do the log. [20:02] <+Doh5678> Thanks [20:03] <+AleWi> Some of the Calendar have name of people that was birth that day. [20:03] <+Doh5678> In the Simpsons? [20:03] <+AleWi> Yes in the Simpsons Calendar. [20:03] <+AleWi> Should these name have an article [20:03] <+AleWi> *people [20:04] <Phinbart> No, because the people are not Simpsons-related. [20:04] <+Doh5678> These are Simpsons characters, not RL people [20:04] <Phinbart> I'm confused, then. [20:04] == Jake__ [458e0870@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.142.8.112] has joined #wikisimpsons [20:04] <Phinbart> Hi, Jake. [20:04] <+AleWi> Welcome Jacke__ [20:04] <+Doh5678> Jake! [20:04] <Phinbart> This is the first meeting you've been to. [20:04] <Jake__> Hey guys. [20:05] <Jake__> I think I've been to one other. Glad I could make it though. [20:05] <+AleWi> 1 January: Yuri Grigorovich, Joe Orton, Grandmaster Flash B. [20:05] <+Doh5678> Jake the topic is: Articles of real name in the Simpsons Calendar [20:05] <+AleWi> January 2: Isaac Asimow, Kahuahnu Lake [20:05] <+Doh5678> I say they shouldn't be created [20:05] <+AleWi> Is printed on the 2013 Simpsons Calendar. [20:06] <+Doh5678> Because they are RL [20:06] <+AleWi> and they year they was born [20:06] <+AleWi> *that [20:06] <Phinbart> [20:04] <Phinbart> No, because the people are not Simpsons-related. [20:06] <+Doh5678> Seems a bit stupid to create an article for someone that's mentioned in one piece of merchandise anyway [20:07] <+AleWi> They are mentioned in a Simpsons merchandise [20:07] <Nick97> Any more stupid than an article for someone mentioned in a comic or book or ep? [20:07] <Nick97> It's still Simpsons merchandise [20:08] <Phinbart> Solar Dragon would probably not agree for having articles for real people who were mentioned in a calendar. [20:08] <+Doh5678> This is one tiny mention on a calendar [20:08] <Phinbart> Real people's birth dates are in most calendars anyway, so the calendar is just following the normal technique. [20:08] <+Doh5678> ^ [20:09] <+AleWi> Many holidays from the world is also mentioned there [20:09] <Nick97> Most calendars do that^ [20:09] <+Doh5678> No article for them either [20:09] <Phinbart> Holidays in the real world will not have articles unless they are featured in The Simpsons, like Christmas, New Year's Eve, New Year's Day etc. [20:10] <+AleWi> next topic? [20:10] <+Doh5678> Jake__: Any opinion? [20:11] <Phinbart> DVD features from episodes in the infobox. [20:11] <Jake__> So, whether or not to have articles for people mentioned in a calendar? [20:11] <+Doh5678> Yes [20:11] <Jake__> I don't know, it doesn't seem all that relevant if they didn't appear on the show itself. [20:12] <Phinbart> Or in a comic. [20:12] <Jake__> I know we have articles for merchandise too, but people mentioned in merchandise seems like a bit of a stretch to me. [20:12] <+Doh5678> I agree [20:13] <Phinbart> We would have to create about a few thousand articles to create people in all the calendars featuring people's birth dates. [20:14] <+Doh5678> Next topic? [20:14] <+AleWi> DVD features from episodes in the infobox. [20:14] <Phinbart> Shall we move onto the next topic? Which is: DVD featurs from eps in the infobox. [20:14] <Phinbart> Damn, I was too late. [20:14] <+Doh5678> Explain [20:14] <+AleWi> Wikipedia have the DVD commentary [20:14] <+AleWi> Should we have it in the infobox [20:15] <+Doh5678> Is this a episode subpage? [20:15] <Phinbart> Like how the Infosphere has the commentary transcript? [20:15] <+AleWi> Deleted scene [20:15] <Phinbart> We've only got about 10 transcripts done on the wiki. [20:15] <Phinbart> Oh, deleted scenes? [20:16] <Phinbart> We could introduce: eg. Mypods and Boomsticks/DVD features [20:16] <+Doh5678> We could mention them somewhere [20:16] == Mythigator [322fa78f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.50.47.167.143] has joined #wikisimpsons [20:16] <+AleWi> Maybe creating articles about deleted scenes [20:16] <Phinbart> Hi, Mythigator [20:16] <+Doh5678> Mythigator! [20:16] <+AleWi> from the episodes [20:16] <+AleWi> It's hard to find whats on the DVD [20:16] <Mythigator> Greetings, gents, and to any ladies that may be in the house ... just got back from my errands. [20:16] <+AleWi> Hi, MythigatorHi, MythigatorHi, MythigatorHi, MythigatorHi, MythigatorHi, MythigatorHi, MythigatorHi, MythigatorHi, MythigatorHi, Mythigator [20:17] <+Doh5678> Mythigator: Topic is DVD featurs from eps in the infobox [20:17] <+AleWi> Myth - Can you edit the topic to we have a meeting now? [20:17] <+AleWi> on the wiki [20:18] <Mythigator> Will edits sitenotice now, just a sec [20:18] <Phinbart> Episode name/DVD features would include sections: Commentary (with info on who's on the commentary), Deleted scenes gallery, and any more that you can think of. [20:19] <Mythigator> Sitenoticed sorted. [20:19] <+Doh5678> Good idea [20:19] <+AleWi> I think it's a good idea Phinbart [20:19] <Mythigator> All that in the episode infobox? [20:20] <Phinbart> And we could upload an image of the commentary title card (with crew signatures) [20:20] <+AleWi> No at "Episode name/DVD features" [20:20] <Phinbart> We're talking about sub-pages now. [20:20] <+AleWi> Wikipedia have DVD commentary on the infobox, there of the topic [20:21] <Mythigator> <whew> A sub-page sounds more suited to the amount and variety of content you're talking about. I like the idea. [20:22] <+AleWi> We can not have it on every season so we must hide it like gags [20:22] <Phinbart> Maybe a link to the DVD features could be next to "Transcript" in the infobox. [20:22] <Mythigator> Right Ale, at this point it would only be Seasons 1-14 [20:23] <+Doh5678> I don't mind whether it's seasons or eps [20:23] <+AleWi> episodes in season 1-14 and the movie [20:23] <Phinbart> Eps would be better. [20:23] <+AleWi> We have articles of the DVD [20:24] <+AleWi> but we have not so much information there [20:24] <+Doh5678> Better to consoldate them into one monthly article :P [20:24] <+AleWi> We should create one for every episode [20:25] <+Doh5678> I don't mind [20:25] <Phinbart> And a gallery of commentary title cards (the screen with all of the crew's signatures on) could be on the DVD pages, with the "Episode name/DVD features|Episode name" being the caption to the image. [20:26] <+Doh5678> Sure [20:26] <Mythigator> Makes sense [20:26] <+AleWi> We should have a link to the DVD features both on the episode and the season DVD [20:26] <Phinbart> I've got Season 20 on DVD, but there's no special features on that. [20:26] <Phinbart> For some reason, my version of the DVD does not have the sneak peek at the 20th anniversary special. [20:26] <+AleWi> Some of the single DVD have animatic [20:27] <+AleWi> They have only it in region 1 Phinbart [20:27] <Phinbart> Oh, right. [20:27] <Phinbart> I wish I had a multi-region player. [20:28] <+Doh5678> So all in agreement: Mythigator, AleWi, Jake__, Nick97, Phinbart? [20:28] <Phinbart> For the DVD features sub-page? Yes. [20:28] <Mythigator> I like the plan. [20:28] <Nick97> Sure [20:28] <+AleWi> For the DVD features sub-page? Yes. [20:28] * AleWi copy and past :) [20:28] <Jake__> Sounds good to me. [20:28] <+Doh5678> Good [20:29] <+Doh5678> Let's move on then [20:29] <Phinbart> Thought so, AleWi! [20:29] <+AleWi> 3. 3.Unofficial video links in articles [20:29] <Phinbart> Unofficial video links in articles. [20:29] <Phinbart> Late again! [20:29] <+Doh5678> Explain [20:29] <+AleWi> We have somtimes video links in the articles, much of them are unofficial, so the link can be deleted [20:30] <+AleWi> It not so good to have this type of links [20:30] <+Doh5678> By unofficial you mean? [20:30] <Mythigator> Do you have an example, Ale? [20:31] <+AleWi> Youtube link on http://simpsonswiki.net/wiki/FOX%27s_25th_Anniversary_Special [20:31] <+AleWi> If the video been delted it not look so good [20:31] <+AleWi> Youtube link on http://simpsonswiki.net/wiki/The_Simpsons_SU2C_PSA [20:32] <Mythigator> I think it would be a judgment call depending on the particular link [20:32] <+AleWi> Is good [20:32] <Phinbart> Well, YouTube is the only place where you can watch the videos. [20:32] <+Doh5678> If it's official youtube channel, keep it [20:32] <Mythigator> If a private person put up the link, that's probably not a reliable source. But an outfit like SU2C? That would be a reliable link, IMO. [20:33] <Mythigator> Put up the video, rather [20:33] <+Doh5678> ^ [20:33] <Mythigator> Yup, Doh [20:33] <+Doh5678> Unofficial links should be deleted [20:34] <+AleWi> We have no links to watch this simpsons episode online [20:35] <Mythigator> Nor should we, Ale. [20:35] <Phinbart> There is a link to watch Simpsons Roasting on an Open Fire online on the article though. [20:36] <Mythigator> In my experience, "watch episode online" links aren't all that reliable [20:36] <+Doh5678> Everyone in agreement? [20:37] <Mythigator> IWTSO.com has been down for months. WTSO.net mostly has the episode, but sometimes not. [20:37] <Phinbart> We should keep YouTube links though. [20:37] <Mythigator> YouTube links should stay if they're from an offical channel (what Doh said) [20:38] <+AleWi> Only offical channel like Doh [20:38] <+Doh5678> Move on? [20:39] <Phinbart> What we should do is on unofficial channels with YouTube videos with links on the article put: Watch Fox's 25th Anniversary Special at an external source [20:39] <Mythigator> Sounds OK, Phin. [20:39] <+Doh5678> Good idea [20:40] <+AleWi> We hade one Youtube channel but Fox blocked it [20:40] <Phinbart> And there should be an article named: Wikisimpsons:External source videos, which explains how external source videos status is not in our control. [20:40] <Mythigator> Also a good idea [20:40] <+Doh5678> Should we put somewhere that 'Wikisimpsons is not responsible for these links [20:40] <+Doh5678> Oh [20:41] <Phinbart> Was it Wikisimpsons or WikisimpsonsVideos. Wasn't WikisimpsonsVideos created by Randomno to upload hidden videos to feature on the wiki. [20:41] <Jake__> Sounds like a good thing to add to the disclaimers page to me. [20:41] <+Doh5678> Yes good idea Phinbart [20:41] <+AleWi> It was a trailer [20:41] <Phinbart> I'm having a lot of good ideas tonight. [20:41] <+AleWi> Fox autoblocking full episodes [20:42] <+Doh5678> Shock [20:42] <Phinbart> There's one YouTube uploader which has managed to upload the full episode of "Bart vs. Australia!. [20:42] <+Doh5678> Phinbart has good idea for once [20:42] <+AleWi> Sometimes it can pass for a long time [20:42] <+AleWi> simpsons 20th anniversary special is still on YOutube after 2 years [20:43] <Mythigator> Also, if they're in languages other than English, they're less likely to come across Fox's gunsights. [20:44] <+Doh5678> Move on? [20:44] <Phinbart> One minute. [20:45] <Phinbart> We should include on DVD articles what commercials are on the DVD. There's User:Phinbart/Commercials for an example. [20:45] <Mythigator> Sounds like we got a consensus on the video links issue, so moving on is OK ... as soon as Phin is ready :-) [20:45] <Phinbart> Well, that's in brand order. [20:46] <+AleWi> 4.Keep file name when we move pictures [20:46] <+Doh5678> Phinbart: We'll discuss that at the end. we need to get the next few topics out of the way first [20:46] <+AleWi> We not keeping the old file name when we move pictures today, I think we should [20:46] <+AleWi> We have now around 100 images on the Swedish Wiki that dosen't work [20:46] <+Doh5678> Depends [20:47] <+Doh5678> If they're really stupid names, like 023449werifbd.png, we should change the name [20:47] <+AleWi> But why can we not keeping a link at the old name [20:47] <+Doh5678> A redirect? [20:48] <+AleWi> Yes [20:48] == cjc [~chatzilla@cpc21-slou1-2-0-cust245.17-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikisimpsons [20:48] <Phinbart> Well, if File:0123.jpg is renamed File:Homer holding postcards.jpg, it should redirect properly and show File:Homer holding postcards.jpg via the link to File:0123.jpg. [20:48] <+Doh5678> cjc! [20:48] <+AleWi> Hello cjc, welcome to the meeting [20:48] <Phinbart> Hi, cjc. [20:48] <Mythigator> It just seems messy to have that many redirects around ... particularly for an image that you just uploaded or that only has one or two articles linking to it. [20:49] <+AleWi> When we move pictures it dosen't work anymore on the Swedish wiki if we not have a redirect [20:49] <+AleWi> If it is use there [20:49] <Mythigator> The Swedish wiki links to the English wiki for pictures? [20:50] <+AleWi> Yes [20:50] <Jake__> Yeah [20:50] <+AleWi> But when we not have a redirect dosen't the picture there not working anymore [20:50] <+Doh5678> Something to do with a shared database I think Jake__? [20:50] <Mythigator> What's an example of an image to which the Swedish wiki links? [20:50] <+AleWi> http://sv.simpsonswiki.net/wiki/Special:%C3%96nskade_filer is missing pictures [20:50] <Jake__> They have separate databases, but the sister wikis can reference images from the main wiki as well. [20:51] <+Doh5678> Right [20:51] <Jake__> It's just so we don't have to re-upload the same images on each wiki. [20:51] <+AleWi> Only red links are missing [20:51] <+Doh5678> Wikipedia does something similar I guess [20:51] <Jake__> Yes, with Wikimedia Commons. [20:51] <+AleWi> http://sv.simpsonswiki.net/w/index.php?title=Special:%C3%96nskade_filer&limit=500&offset=0 [20:52] <+AleWi> is a better link [20:53] <Mythigator> The thing is, though, on Wikipedia if you click on an image it will say what all links to it, including wikis in other languages. [20:53] <cjc> Why would someone leave a message on my talk page.... [20:53] <cjc> Oh, it was you AleWi [20:53] <+AleWi> I saw you was active today [20:54] <Mythigator> So, my question is, on the English wiki, if an image is linked to from the Swedish wiki, is there anything saying so? [20:54] <cjc> Yeah, but once I've done what I done, I close it and don't check for hours again :P [20:54] <+AleWi> No [20:55] <+AleWi> You must check [20:55] <Jake__> I'd like to figure out how that's done so we can use it here. [20:55] <Jake__> I think you have to set the wikis up as a wiki-farm. [20:55] <Mythigator> And how do we check, Ale? [20:56] <Nick97> ^Search up the name of the image you're about to change? [20:56] <Phinbart> By the way, I'm not getting involved in this image talk. [20:56] <+AleWi> http://sv.simpsonswiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/**** [20:56] <Mythigator> I would assume so, but on the Swedish wiki, Nick. [20:57] <+AleWi> like http://sv.simpsonswiki.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Homer Simpson.png [20:58] <+Doh5678> Underscores AleWi, underscore [20:58] <+AleWi> If you create an account you can choose language for in the settings. [20:58] <+AleWi> *If you create an account you can choose language in the settings.* [20:59] <+AleWi> I think this is a big problem at we have images that dosen't works [21:00] == Cook879 [cook879@cpc21-slou1-2-0-cust245.17-4.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #wikisimpsons [21:00] == mode/#wikisimpsons [+o Cook879] by ChanServ [21:00] <@Cook879> hello [21:00] <+Doh5678> Cook879! [21:00] <+AleWi> Hello Cook879 [21:00] <+AleWi> We talking about keeping the old name when we move images [21:00] <@Cook879> why would we need to? [21:01] <+Doh5678> Seems a bit messy to have hundreds, possibly thousands of redirects [21:01] <Mythigator> I don't think it's a problem we can solve today ... we either need to have the wikis operate as a farm so it's easier to tell what other language wikis link to an image, or have the wikis use separate image databases ... neither of which sounds easy. [21:01] <+AleWi> The images dosen't work outside the english Wiki [21:01] <@Cook879> Oh, well fix them :P [21:02] <+Doh5678> AleWi: It's about 10 minutes of work or massive database changes that might take days. Your choice. :P [21:02] <+AleWi> I have testing [21:03] <Jake__> I'm going to look into linking the wikis together, but the images are still going to have to be renamed on the Swedish site. [21:03] <+AleWi> it's taking more than 10 minutes [21:03] <+AleWi> 3 minutes take one pictures [21:03] <+Doh5678> Okay then about an hour [21:03] <@Cook879> brb [21:04] <Phinbart> OK, can we finally move onto the fifth and final(!) topic? [21:04] <+AleWi> 5.Install Hotcat? [21:04] <+Doh5678> Apart from that thing you wanted to discuss [21:04] <+Doh5678> Phinbart [21:05] <Mythigator> Yes, the image topic seems to need further investigation, so moving on sounds fine. [21:05] <Phinbart> You said at the end, and I've done an example: http://simpsonswiki.net/wiki/User:Phinbart/Commercials_on_DVD [21:05] <+Doh5678> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HOTCAT [21:05] <+AleWi> I like HotCat, and i missing it here [21:05] <+AleWi> We have many categories today and it's hard to find one [21:05] <+AleWi> Especially for images [21:06] <+AleWi> If we have it we can simple add categories when we upload images [21:06] <+Doh5678> It's a good tool, but probably difficult to install across the board [21:07] <Mythigator> Would HotCat help with creating categories from scratch? [21:08] <+Doh5678> Jake__: Would HotCat be difficult to install? [21:08] <+AleWi> Yes, you can add category that dosen't exist [21:08] <Jake__> I don't know very much about it, but it doesn't look hard to install if you'd like to give it a try. [21:08] <+AleWi> but you must create an article for the category [21:08] <Mythigator> Thanks, Ale. [21:09] <+Doh5678> HotCat should be installed [21:09] <Mythigator> I agree -- I think it would certinaly be helpful [21:10] <Jake__> Ok, it's installed. [21:10] <Jake__> That was actually really simple to do. :P [21:10] <Phinbart> That was quick. [21:10] <+Doh5678> Thanks Jake__ [21:10] <Jake__> Be sure to clear your cache if it doesn't show up right away. [21:11] <Phinbart> Shouldn't we have negotiated HotCat's installation with Solar first? [21:11] <cjc> Articles of real name in the Simpsons Calendar. - whats that mean. [21:11] <@Cook879> back [21:11] <Jake__> If he has a problem with it and wants it uninstalled, just revert my last two edits. [21:12] <cjc> And while we at it, what are these about as well: DVD features from episodes in the infobox [21:12] <cjc> Unofficial video links in articles [21:12] <+AleWi> Some of the Calendar have name of people that was birth that day. [21:12] <+AleWi> Should these people have an article [21:12] <cjc> No. [21:12] <+Doh5678> Jake__: HotCat not showing up [21:12] <cjc> Because the calendar part of the calendar isn't in universe.... [21:12] <cjc> and it wouldn't be notable anyway. [21:13] <Jake__> Clear your cache and refresh. [21:13] <cjc> Refresh your cache [21:13] <+AleWi> We creating articles with Episode name/DVD feature which would include sections: Commentary (with info on who's on the commentary), Deleted scenes gallery, and any more that you can think of. [21:13] <+AleWi> We add a link in the infobox [21:13] <@Cook879> I added some to the references tab a while back [21:13] <+Doh5678> I think I forgot how to clear my cache [21:13] <+AleWi> Ctrl+F5 [21:13] == WebkinzMania [60fafdd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.250.253.217] has joined #wikisimpsons [21:13] <+AleWi> Hello WebkinzMania we are soon finnish with this meeting [21:13] <WebkinzMania> ah kk [21:14] <+Doh5678> Still not showing [21:14] <cjc> (Please tell me the result of item 1 was no) [21:14] <+AleWi> It works for me Doh [21:14] <+AleWi> The results was no [21:14] <+AleWi> The results for DVD was yes [21:14] <cjc> And what was #3 about? [21:15] <+AleWi> Only if we have upload videos and hidding them or official video links [21:16] <cjc> I don't get it. [21:16] <cjc> So, if we should upload videos here or just link to actual ones?? [21:16] <Mythigator> cjc: essentially, quality control over vdeo links in articles [21:16] <+AleWi> If a private person put up the link, that's probably not a reliable source. But an outfit like SU2C? That would be a reliable link, IMO [21:17] <+AleWi> Link it [21:17] <cjc> SU2C? [21:17] <Mythigator> Stand Up 2 Cancer. [21:17] <+AleWi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQawLIjlymw [21:18] <+AleWi> Are we finnish with this meeting? [21:18] <Phinbart> I think so. [21:18] <Phinbart> Are we? [21:19] <Mythigator> <nationality check complete> No Finns sighted, Ale. :D [21:19] <+Doh5678> Strange HotCat works on Wikipedia, but not on Wikisimpsons [21:19] <+AleWi> HotCat works for me [21:19] <+AleWi> Look at the down at http://simpsonswiki.net/wiki/Wikisimpsons:Editor_meetings [21:19] <+AleWi> It's active for everyone not like Wikipedia when you must accept it [21:19] <WebkinzMania> Wait. [21:19] <WebkinzMania> What about QuickLink? [21:19] <WebkinzMania> or whatever that was? [21:20] <+AleWi> It's a simpler way to add categories [21:20] <@Cook879> We still have it - if you turn everything off [21:20] <+AleWi> Check http://simpsonswiki.net/wiki/Special:Upload [21:20] <WebkinzMania> Oh, i meant this other extension. [21:21] <@Cook879> oh right [21:21] <WebkinzMania> idk, solar mentioned it a while back [21:21] <@Cook879> what's our one called then? :P [21:21] <+AleWi> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QuickLink [21:21] <WebkinzMania> ^ [21:21] <Jake__> I think I installed it for him. [21:21] <@Cook879> we have that [21:22] <WebkinzMania> oh [21:22] <WebkinzMania> kk that's good [21:22] <Jake__> It doesn't like the new editor, but if you can disable it to make it appear. :) [21:23] <WebkinzMania> oh, okay. [21:23] <+AleWi> Are we finnish now? [21:23] <WebkinzMania> mhm
