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Yes that was me. Perhaps I can speak with you. I know you guys seem rather happy in your own little world, but I think both wikis can learn from each other. I agree you have many better features and depth, but again the other wikia is a lot more user friendly, I know some of you may disagree, but remember most of people visiting the site aren't actually suppose to be editors. It looks a lot better and the badge system really does help. I just believe that this site right now was started because of a misunderstanding and fight, let's rectify that fight. I suggest we get the older wiki you guys dislike, edit it to a degree where it is both visitor and editor friendly, and also as thorough. I know you will strongly disagree, but I believe it could benefit the both of us. If we could do something like this, I as well as many of the users on the older wikia will be more than happy to help build a gigantic wiki that may eventually turn people away from wikipedia. If there is a more easier way to talk please do. I am not here to start a fight, but hopefully create a better wiki that can involve all of us and attracts all. --[[User:Jhonevans|Jhonevans]] 06:59, 30 November 2011 (EST) | Yes that was me. Perhaps I can speak with you. I know you guys seem rather happy in your own little world, but I think both wikis can learn from each other. I agree you have many better features and depth, but again the other wikia is a lot more user friendly, I know some of you may disagree, but remember most of people visiting the site aren't actually suppose to be editors. It looks a lot better and the badge system really does help. I just believe that this site right now was started because of a misunderstanding and fight, let's rectify that fight. I suggest we get the older wiki you guys dislike, edit it to a degree where it is both visitor and editor friendly, and also as thorough. I know you will strongly disagree, but I believe it could benefit the both of us. If we could do something like this, I as well as many of the users on the older wikia will be more than happy to help build a gigantic wiki that may eventually turn people away from wikipedia. If there is a more easier way to talk please do. I am not here to start a fight, but hopefully create a better wiki that can involve all of us and attracts all. --[[User:Jhonevans|Jhonevans]] 06:59, 30 November 2011 (EST) | ||
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| + | :It would be an idyllic situation to have just one wiki, but bear in mind the advantages of an independent wiki: We have a lot more control over the wiki, we have subwikis, analytical data, email addresses (those these may go after the server update). Also, I believe the general consensus for visitors is that independent wikis are generally better, and dare I say more trustworthy. I know i'd rather click to visit and independent wiki then a wikifarm one just because you know the chances are a lot f care and attention is being put in compared to some wikifarm wikis, as in many cases the users will be paying for the independent wiki (luckily we have advertisements covering us), and so they won't give up on it like many (like I have before, not Simpsons related) give up on wikifarm wikis.--[[User:Cook879|Cook879]] 07:12, 30 November 2011 (EST) P.S. Don't expect an instant reply after this - I'm going offline a bit. | ||
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- You are NOT an admin. The Solar Dragon 04:17, 30 November 2011 (EST)
- Changing comments is against another policy. One more thing wrong and you will be banned. The Solar Dragon 04:39, 30 November 2011 (EST)
Ok fair enough. I thought it was pretty funny. Let's continue our conversation here, the messaging system is rather frustrating.--Jhonevans 04:41, 30 November 2011 (EST)
- Oh, you left me a message on my board. 1) It was our info in the first place. We worked long and hard on building it up. 2) I changed your edit because you are not an admin! 3) We don't have many ads because we are NOT Wikia. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 04:43, 30 November 2011 (EST)
So the same could be done to you? And I was saying Wikia doesn't have many ads at all. --Jhonevans 04:44, 30 November 2011 (EST)
- Wikia does have many ads. Have you tried editing as a logged out user? It's horrible. Ads everywhere. And the same could be done to us but you'd have to do it properly. You have to attribute us as the people who made the content by linking back to us because of our licensing. Unfortunately, the stupid admins and staff on Wikia didn't listen to my request to whitelist simpsonswiki.net so that is impossible without allowing us to take Wikia to court and getting Simpsons Wikia shut down or getting a large sum of money from Wikia. So, you can't legally steal our content.
(Talk - Contribs.) 04:47, 30 November 2011 (EST)
My problem with that is the information isn't certain authors. To say you created all the previous information would be wrong. So taking all that information does not mean all the authors joined this site and it was all of your work. However I have done some research on you. You edit a fair amount. Oh yes and a side question. I've noticed on wikia certain badges are no longer active, making it difficult for me to beat your #1 status. Any reasonw hy this might have happened? --Jhonevans 04:53, 30 November 2011 (EST)
- No, not all editors moved over. Many went inactive and haven't edited since. The entire active community at the time of the split moved with us, with the exception of a couple of lesser editors who didn't edit as much. Wikia allowed us to do this. Plus, I do not know what is wrong with the badges except Wikia are stupid so the chances are, they cocked up somewhere again. Anyway, we are the better wiki by far, look at our article count and quality of articles to see that. Simpsons Wikia is a fail in comparison to us and I don't know why no one else sees that and are too stubborn to give up on a dying wiki. Solar Dragon (Talk • Contribs.) 04:56, 30 November 2011 (EST)
I know, I know. But you just stole all the information from the previous wikia. Say what you want but that was not all your work, so how was ethical (or legal) in teh first place? And don't worry, I'll get it up to standards, just give it awhile. --Jhonevans 04:59, 30 November 2011 (EST)
- It was legal. We are fully allowed to do a database dump and start on a new wiki. Wikia's license allows that. As for ethical, Wikia staff screwed us all over so we deserved to move away. Simpsons Wikia is a shit hole of crappy articles and stolen images (images stolen from and not sourced back to us). If anything, you guys are in the wrong for carrying on with the wiki on Wikia. Solar Dragon (Talk • Contribs.) 05:02, 30 November 2011 (EST)
Ok this will probably make me sound like an idiot, but I am a newbie. This skin I hear about, what does that actually change? Am I to understand that this is how the wikia used to look and operate? --Jhonevans 05:06, 30 November 2011 (EST)
- The skin you currently see is not the one Wikia used. We do have that skin choice though in your preferences. We also have a new skin too which you can also access through your preferences (called simpsons). Wikia's skin takes ages to load on some computers, is hard to navigate as an IP (no recent changes links etc.) and it is hard to find anything on it (it took me days to find the history link when I was beta testing the skin). There was a massive outrage and about 70% of the community didn't want the new skin, sparking a massive exodus from Wikia (several large wikis, including WoWWiki, the third largest wiki on Wikia, moved away). The staff banned users and removed admin rights for no reason, against the communities decisions and just simply were horrible to anyone who disagreed with the skin. They wouldn't give us the option to have Monobook or Monaco (which they removed entirely) as skin options and so many wikis moved away. I was an admin on 13 different wikis and Wikia staff used to like me. Now, I am globally blocked infinitely because staff are evil, horrible, spiteful people who didn't even give me an excuse for my global ban. The Solar Dragon (Talk - Contribs.) 05:13, 30 November 2011 (EST)
Although I am sure at the moment you will oppose this, I sense a fanaticism amongst the groups. But I shall mention this: peace treaty? I've listened to both of you. The admins of wikia are quite friendly. They don't dislike you or anything, yet the vandalism which stemmed. Perhaps we can work out something. From what I gather everything was fairly rash and everyone left as a retort to your apparent "unprovoked" block. --Jhonevans 05:31, 30 November 2011 (EST)
- The only way a peace treaty would work is if every admin and user on Simpsons Wikia give up on that and merged with us. Otherwise, there will still be a rival Simpsons Wiki out there which we don't want. We are the bigger and better wiki and carrying on with a smaller lesser wiki is pointless. ☆The Solar Dragon☆ 05:38, 30 November 2011 (EST)
I see what you're saying and I see you have a lot more articles. Which is hard for me since I've put SO much work into the wikia. But I will be honest I find no problems with the other skin. Also, the whole point of wikia is for people to get information away from wikipedia. Wikia is much more attractive, therefore more appealing to people just wanting information. Yet you complained about some functionality errors, could these not be altered to fit most peoples' wants? Also, I know I sound like an idiot for saying this, but badges are really helpful in pushing people to edit. I am not experienced enough to give proper reasons why the other is better. But as far as I can see the quality you speak so widely about might not be as truthful as you believe. --Jhonevans 05:45, 30 November 2011 (EST)
Look I'm sorry for being such a pain, just sucks to know all my hard work is for nothing. I will try to work something out. I think both wikis have positive and negatives. --Jhonevans 06:47, 30 November 2011 (EST)
- I wasn't going to get involved but Solar is probably away right now. As for a treaty I think the closest you can get to that is each wiki leaving each other to get on, as I know things would never go the way Solar wanted. Also I'm guessing it's you that posted on our Facebook wall? I just replied.--Cook879 06:52, 30 November 2011 (EST)
Yes that was me. Perhaps I can speak with you. I know you guys seem rather happy in your own little world, but I think both wikis can learn from each other. I agree you have many better features and depth, but again the other wikia is a lot more user friendly, I know some of you may disagree, but remember most of people visiting the site aren't actually suppose to be editors. It looks a lot better and the badge system really does help. I just believe that this site right now was started because of a misunderstanding and fight, let's rectify that fight. I suggest we get the older wiki you guys dislike, edit it to a degree where it is both visitor and editor friendly, and also as thorough. I know you will strongly disagree, but I believe it could benefit the both of us. If we could do something like this, I as well as many of the users on the older wikia will be more than happy to help build a gigantic wiki that may eventually turn people away from wikipedia. If there is a more easier way to talk please do. I am not here to start a fight, but hopefully create a better wiki that can involve all of us and attracts all. --Jhonevans 06:59, 30 November 2011 (EST)
- It would be an idyllic situation to have just one wiki, but bear in mind the advantages of an independent wiki: We have a lot more control over the wiki, we have subwikis, analytical data, email addresses (those these may go after the server update). Also, I believe the general consensus for visitors is that independent wikis are generally better, and dare I say more trustworthy. I know i'd rather click to visit and independent wiki then a wikifarm one just because you know the chances are a lot f care and attention is being put in compared to some wikifarm wikis, as in many cases the users will be paying for the independent wiki (luckily we have advertisements covering us), and so they won't give up on it like many (like I have before, not Simpsons related) give up on wikifarm wikis.--Cook879 07:12, 30 November 2011 (EST) P.S. Don't expect an instant reply after this - I'm going offline a bit.
