Difference between revisions of "Wikisimpsons:Editor meetings/October 15th"

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[20:00] <Phinbart> Meeting to order!
[20:00] <Phinbart> The counter's going up.
[20:00] <@Cook879> :P
[20:00] <+AleWi> The time is plus now 45. 46, 47
[20:00] <Phinbart> main page redesign
[20:00] <@Solar_Dragon> I think my dinner's almost ready
[20:00] <+supergeeky1> It's trolling us.
[20:00] <+supergeeky1> Who's leading this meeting?
[20:00] <@Cook879> just ate mine
[20:01] <Phinbart> Solar? Are you?
[20:01] <@Cook879> Though in 10 mins or so i'll have to do a brb
[20:01] <@Solar_Dragon> I'm having dinner in a minute so I can't!
[20:01] <@Solar_Dragon> Someone needs to make a log of the meeting too
[20:01] <Phinbart> Cook an can lead, then...
[20:01] <Phinbart> I am!
[20:02] <Phinbart> an can :)
[20:02] <+supergeeky1> Same.  I've logged everything from the past four years.
[20:02] <@Solar_Dragon> Okay, firstly, anyone with eBay, buy mah stuff! http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/solardragon2010/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p3686 >:(
[20:02] <Phinbart> Didn't know you had an eBay account.
[20:02]  * Cook879 note to self - remove soloar's link :P
[20:03] <Phinbart> No Simpsons!
[20:03] <@Solar_Dragon> XD
[20:03] <@Solar_Dragon> No Simpsons stuff, no
[20:03] <@Solar_Dragon> Doctor Who and Top Trumps atm :P
[20:03] <Phinbart> Why no Simpsons stuff?
[20:03] <Phinbart> Ahem...main page redesign!
[20:03] <@Solar_Dragon> Because I don't have any Simpsons stuff I want to sell :P
[20:04] <@Cook879> Anyway mainpage redisgn - someone design - we vote - simples
[20:04] <@Solar_Dragon> I was thinking of the tabber extension but apparently it's dangerous XD
[20:05] <Phinbart> Dangerous?
[20:05] <@Solar_Dragon> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tabber
[20:05] <@Solar_Dragon> Security risk :P
[20:05] <Phinbart> Right.
[20:06] <+AleWi> I think we didn't use that
[20:06] <@Solar_Dragon> I want to use it though :P
[20:06] <@Solar_Dragon> I'm sure we'll be fine using it
[20:06] <+Doh5678> There's a fix
[20:06] <@Solar_Dragon> Exactly
[20:07] <Phinbart> If any accounts get hijacked, I'm blaming it on you! :P
[20:07] <+supergeeky1> Honestly, unless I'm missing something, I wouldn't bother with the tabber extension.  It's just as easy to make it with CSS and wiki code.
[20:08] <@Solar_Dragon> Really?
[20:08] <@Solar_Dragon> Anyway, I got to go and eat now
[20:08] <@Solar_Dragon> Bai!
[20:08] <+supergeeky1> Yeah, AFAIK.  Darthipedia uses something similar for a few paes.
[20:08] <+supergeeky1> *pages
[20:08] <+supergeeky1> http://darthipedia.com/wiki/Darthipedia:Featured_Sithspawn
[20:08] == Solar_Dragon has changed nick to SD|FOOD
[20:08] <@Cook879> Is anyone thinking of making a design?
[20:09] <+supergeeky1> It's a bit primitive compared to tabber, but it can be worked on.
[20:09] <Phinbart> Not me. I'm not that good with making main pages.
[20:09] <+supergeeky1> As for a main page design, I was planning on developing one myself in the coming weeks.
[20:09] <Phinbart> Though for the merch.wiki.
[20:10] <+supergeeky1> Right.  I'll probably work on a main page design for Merchandise Wiki first.  Then develop it further for Wikisimpsons.
[20:10] <+supergeeky1> Right.  I'll probably work on a main page design for Merchandise Wiki first.  Then develop it further for Wikisimpsons.
[20:10] <@Cook879> Cool
[20:10] <+supergeeky1> But again, it won't be for a few weeks.  I have a large workload ahead of me that needs to be completed by November.
[20:10] <Phinbart> http://simpsonswiki.net/wiki/Wikisimpsons:Editor_meetings/October_15th
[20:11] <+supergeeky1> o.0
[20:11] <+supergeeky1> Is the meeting over, or did you just get ahead of yourself?
[20:11] <+AleWi> The meeting is not over
[20:11] <@Cook879> We do it every 15 mins or so
[20:12] <Phinbart> Next topic: Moving pages over to the merchandise wiki.
[20:12] <+supergeeky1> Ah.  Alrighty then.
[20:12] <@Cook879> brb
[20:12] == Cook879 has changed nick to Cook879|BRB
[20:12] <+AleWi> I have move one article today
[20:12] <+AleWi> The comics is hardest to do
[20:13] <+supergeeky1> Are all of Merch's articles copied from Wikisimpsons, or are some of them original?
[20:13] <+AleWi> Some is copied and some orginal
[20:13] <Phinbart> Some are original.
[20:13] <+supergeeky1> Mmm.
[20:14] <+AleWi> They do not have a lot of visitors
[20:14] <+Doh5678> True
[20:14] <+AleWi> Starting to think the wiki was a little bad idea
[20:15] <+Doh5678> Why?
[20:15] <+supergeeky1> Uh... considering the wiki was created only several weeks ago, that's way too soon to decide.
[20:16] <+AleWi> They are hard to find what you want
[20:16] <+supergeeky1> The Wikisimpsons community isn't that large in itself, so I wouldn't have any high expectations for Merchandise for another year or so.
[20:16] <Phinbart> I was gonna say interpret the merch. wiki into the main wiki before the merch. wiki was created, but now...it's created...
[20:16] <@Cook879|BRB> back
[20:16] == Cook879|BRB has changed nick to Cook879
[20:17] <+Doh5678> So if the wiki's a failure, what do we do
[20:17] <+Doh5678> ?
[20:17] <@Cook879> I agree with supergeeky1 its too early to deem the wiki as a failure or not
[20:17] <Phinbart> Next topic: Main page at Merchandise wiki
[20:17] <+Doh5678> IF
[20:17] <@Cook879> I was typing that before you posted Doh5678
[20:17] <@Cook879> Why move on - we're still chatting
[20:18] <+supergeeky1> I do have to agree with AleWi on his last point, though.  It's incredibly hard to sift through pages.
[20:18] <@Cook879> Also AleWi - I know what you mean about red links for comics -  nothing really we can do about that
[20:18] <+AleWi> Many people who seeking information are not there
[20:19] <+AleWi> They can not find what they are looking after
[20:19] <@Cook879> The wiki does lack structure - we need templates, lists and categories made as well as articles themselves
[20:19] <+Doh5678> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Fakelink
[20:20] <+Doh5678> That's sort of a way around the red link
[20:20] <@Cook879> How?
[20:20] <+AleWi> How?
[20:20] <@Cook879> We want red links to appear
[20:20] <+Doh5678> The link is blue even though it's ment to be red
[20:21] <+Doh5678> just reverse it
[20:21] <+Doh5678> And make it an actual link
[20:21] <+supergeeky1> I don't get what that would be used for.
[20:21] <+supergeeky1> Are we talking about linking to merchandise wiki, or something else?
[20:22] <@Cook879> from Merch to main
[20:22] <+supergeeky1> Ah.
[20:22] <@Cook879> We have many comic stories that have no page so Comics are linking to non-existent pages and are not red links
[20:22] == supergeeky1 has changed nick to SG1|Clitoris
[20:23] <Phinbart> OH!
[20:23] <+AleWi> If it was a namespace, it worked
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[20:23] <Phinbart> ?
[20:24] <+AleWi> Hi supergeeky1
[20:24] <+AleWi> supergeeky1 has changed nick to SG1|Clitoris??
[20:24] <supergeeky1> Hi.  Sorry.  I switched over to my Mac so that I can type more easily.
[20:24] <Phinbart> Next topic: Seymour Skinner continuity
[20:24] <+AleWi> Who is supergeeky1?
[20:24] <@Cook879> 2 other options - Ignore it or make short stubs
[20:24] <@Cook879> wait Phinbart
[20:24] <@Cook879> Didn't you say Merch main page was next?
[20:24] <+Doh5678> No next topic is: Main page at Merchandise wiki
[20:24] <supergeeky1> Yeah, Phinbart keeps skipping topics.
[20:25] <+AleWi> Main page at Merchandise wiki  is next
[20:25] <@Cook879> It isn't a race Phinbart :P
[20:25] <@Cook879> AleWi - how easy would it be to create stubs for all the comic stories we need?
[20:25] <+Doh5678> brb twoillet
[20:26] <+AleWi> It goes without the plot
[20:26] <Phinbart> TwoilleT?
[20:27] <+Doh5678> Fake french
[20:27] <@Cook879> Yeah - just a basic 1 line summary
[20:27] <+AleWi> It us possible without the plot
[20:27] <+AleWi> *is
[20:28] <@Cook879> That's a theasible option - I'll help if you want - Just move the page and i'll do any pages left over
[20:28] <+Doh5678> Or just redirect
[20:28] <@Cook879> So redirect back to the page they just came from?
[20:28] <+Doh5678> To the english
[20:29] <@Cook879> But that's the thing - we need to create the pages on English first :P
[20:29] <+AleWi> It is not easy
[20:30] <@Cook879> I don't mean anything big - a template, the sentence about where its from then a 1-2 line summary, like "Bart gets in trouble for pulling a prank" that kinda thing
[20:31] <@Cook879> We solve the problem and get more pages that will gain searches - even if they are stubs
[20:32] <+AleWi> I do not have all comics so I can't wirte plot for all
[20:32] <+AleWi> *write
[20:32] <@Cook879> I'll fill in others using the interwebz
[20:33] <@Cook879> I keep tabs on all RC's so I know what needs creating
[20:34] <+AleWi> If we do it, we get 10,000 articles
[20:34] <@Cook879> Bare in mind we're losing more then 200 articles to merch though
[20:35] <@Cook879> As for the next topic - the main page for merch - anyone got anything to add from what's already been covered?
[20:35] <@Cook879> Phinbart - are you going to update the log?
[20:35] <supergeeky1> Actually, I wouldn't mind taking suggestions for features that you guys would like to see added to Merch's main page.
[20:35] <supergeeky1> Assuming you have any.
[20:35] <+AleWi> New comics
[20:36] <Phinbart> log?
[20:36] <@Cook879> New stuff and maybe rare stuff
[20:36] <@Cook879> http://simpsonswiki.net/wiki/Wikisimpsons:Editor_meetings/October_15th <-- log
[20:37] <@Cook879> dw you have since i last checked
[20:37] <Phinbart> I'm updating it now.
[20:37] <supergeeky1> I was definitely considering new releases, in the news and did you know.  Perhaps even user of the month.  I wasn't sure whether there would be enough articles for us to include FA on the main page.
[20:37] <+AleWi> Item of month?
[20:37] <Phinbart> I'm gonna publish the rest at quarter to.
[20:37] <@Cook879> There will certainly be enough articles - the quality is the question
[20:38] <supergeeky1> Exactly.  I'd rather us not lower our standards for merchandise wiki.
[20:38] <supergeeky1> Size of the articles is the biggest factor.
[20:38] <+AleWi> What do you think http://simpsonswiki.net/wiki/The_Gnarly_Adventures_Of_Busman ?
[20:38] <Phinbart> Read it.
[20:39] <+AleWi> Many products are not very much information about to find
[20:39] <@Cook879> That's the kind of thing - though a short description of the comic would help i can add them after
[20:42] <supergeeky1> Way to kill the meeting.
[20:42] <@Cook879> Don't look at me :P
[20:42] <@Cook879> What is next?
[20:43] <+AleWi> Seymour Skinner continuity
[20:43] <@Cook879> The dreaded topic :P
[20:43] <supergeeky1> I can't even tell anymore.
[20:43] <@Cook879> as you could see on the forums with the log from our chat
[20:43] <+AleWi> I think it's canon, there are writers who forget it sometimes
[20:44] <@Cook879> That bit isn't disputed much (except by SD|FOOD) but the issue I think Will_k was getting at is the history of the characters and how to handle that
[20:44] <Phinbart> The Principal and the Pauper, I think, is non-canon.
[20:44] <+AleWi> He knows everything about the real Skinner's childhood
[20:45] <+AleWi> He is entitled to his life
[20:46] <+AleWi> Milhouse first kiss was not with Homer, though he said it once time.
[20:46] <@Cook879> On the basis of the past I could support non-canonitiy provided it doesn't mess other things up - like that small "Principal Tazmarian" in Dohbot
[20:47] <@Cook879> I think canoniticity is best left till Will-k comes online, usually in an hour or 2
[20:47] <Phinbart> I'll be OFF in an hour or two.
[20:47] <Phinbart> -_-
[20:48] <Phinbart> New competition planning shall wait till Solar comes back (?), so...*browsing through list* newsletter!
[20:48] <@Cook879> Well we can continue if you want, just its a topic he added
[20:48] <supergeeky1> It'd probably be a good idea to create a template for ambiguously/conflicting canon material, which covers quite a bit of Skin
[20:50] <@Cook879> As for the newsletter - why is it still in Phinbart's user space?
[20:50] <+AleWi> Marge has two birthday
[20:51] <+AleWi> Bart was born April 1, and two days before Mardi Gras
[20:51] <Phinbart> Two birthdays?
[20:51] <+AleWi> may and october
[20:52] <@Cook879> they're little things - The Skinner thing could, as Will said, change Skinner's article completly.
[20:52] <Phinbart> What eps?
[20:52] <+Doh5678> Cook879: No
[20:52] <+Doh5678> What are we on?
[20:52] <@Cook879> ok, so we can use that then.
[20:52] <@Cook879> Well we started moving on but went back :P
[20:53] <+Doh5678> What topic?
[20:53] <@Cook879> next is newsletter
[20:53] <supergeeky1> This meeting could use better moderation.  It's getting confusing as hell when Phinbart keeps switching topics on us.
[20:54] <@Cook879> Well we have lulls of silence and Phinbart randomly interjects when he feels
[20:54] <Phinbart> Let's do competition planning when Solar's back.
[20:54] <+Doh5678> ?
[20:54] <+Doh5678> Have we done New competition planning
[20:54] <@Cook879> Waiting for SD|FOOD on that one
[20:55] <@Cook879> Ok everyone want to move on? We'll do a vote system
[20:55] <+Doh5678> So newsletter then?
[20:55] <Phinbart> :)
[20:55] <+AleWi> yes
[20:55] <+Doh5678> I'll catch up later
[20:55] <@Cook879> Ok, Newsletter
[20:56] <Phinbart> When I'm gone someone will have to do the meeting transcript.
[20:56] <@Cook879> When are you going?
[20:56] <Phinbart> About around 10ish.
[20:56] <@Cook879> that's an hour away :P
[20:56] <+AleWi> He must pack :)
[20:56] <+Doh5678> Newsletter
[20:57] <@Cook879> Anyway why is the newsletter not in Wikisimpsons space yet?
[20:57] <supergeeky1> Don't worry.  As I said before, I have everything set to automatically log, so I'll put up a transcript when the meeting is over.
[20:57] <+Doh5678> No idea
[20:57] <+Doh5678> I CBA moving it
[20:57] <supergeeky1> How often is the newsletter updated?  Is that like a monthly thing, or longer?
[20:57] <+Doh5678> Monthly
[20:57] <+Doh5678> It needs help
[20:57] <Phinbart> When I'm going, I'll save the log...and one of you can update it from my "Smell ya later." message.
[20:58] <@Cook879> TBH I just read it as its being constructed
[20:59] <@Cook879> What's everyones view of the newsletter?
[20:59] <Phinbart> I think it's good.
[20:59] <+Doh5678> ^
[20:59] <supergeeky1> I don't know enough about it to form an opinion.  I literally didn't even know it existed until I was asked to do the interview.
[20:59] <@Cook879> you make it - you'd say that :P
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[20:59] <supergeeky1> Hehe.
[20:59] <+AleWi> HI iamred
[20:59] <+Doh5678> Someone needs to be a regular communist
[20:59] <@Cook879> It's on the main page - can't say i ever visit the mainpage personally
[21:00] <Phinbart> Good job on the puzzles, Doh...I was going to suggest that we put something together special for the next issue.
[21:00] <Phinbart> Hi, Iamred.
[21:00] <+Doh5678> *columnist