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'''Wiki discussion''' is the place where major discussions and decisions can be made. Larger discussions will have their own pages but smaller discussions will go here.
 
'''Wiki discussion''' is the place where major discussions and decisions can be made. Larger discussions will have their own pages but smaller discussions will go here.
  
== Foreign broadcasters ==
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== Linking policy ==
  
We seem to have [[:Category:Broadcasters|a whole load]] of pages about foreign TV stations that broadcast the show. I don't believe we need all of these. The major English ones we should keep, in the scope of the wiki, but the foreign ones should go unless there's a special reason an article should stay. Thoughts? <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 12:22, May 21, 2016 (EDT)
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There are tons of ''episode''/Quotes pages (see [[:Category:Quotes]]) where linking differs from other pages:
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* character names in front of lines are '''all''' links instead of first occurence
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* no other links occur in the text
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Is this normal? --[[User:2F13|2F13]] ([[User talk:2F13|talk]]) 06:26, October 6, 2018 (EDT)
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:It should be first instance of a link gets linked, rather than every instance. If every instance has a link, they should be removed. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 07:41, October 6, 2018 (EDT)
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::Yes I think so. I checked again a few random pages and I see that there are much less overlinked one I thought first. It is [[User talk:AleWi|AleWi]] who has a different concept with links. I do not want to destroy his work unwisely. I left him a notice about this discussion. --[[User:2F13|2F13]] ([[User talk:2F13|talk]]) 09:52, October 6, 2018 (EDT)
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:If it helps ... When I work on Quotes pages, I generally link a character's name in its first occurrence in a block of dialogue. A good example is [[Lisa the Vegetarian/Quotes]]. This can result in every character name, or almost character every name, being linked if the quotes page consists largely of one-liners. For that reason, plus the fact that having too many links tends to make a Quotes page look cluttered (IMO), when I build a Quotes page I try to avoid one-liners and instead have at least three or four lines in each block of dialogue. This can result in the block division being a bit arbitrary, as I may end up having to split the blocks wherever it "feels" right instead of going by hard-and-fast rules. An example of a Quotes page where I had to take that approach is [[The Man of the House/Quotes]]. That's probably more than you wanted to know about the art of building Quotes pages, but I hope it's helpful. -- [[User:Mythigator|Mythigator]] ([[User talk:Mythigator|talk]]) 11:05, October 6, 2018 (EDT)
  
:There is no serious disadvantage of these pages. If some editors have energy to maintain them let they do.<br>However if not – and I suspect this is the case – a simple list is enough. Practically content of [[Template:Broadcasters]] --[[User:2F13|2F13]] ([[User talk:2F13|talk]]) 01:57, May 29, 2016 (EDT)
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Okay. It seems I may uniform the quotes pages. Decade ago I had a bot editing the big Wikipedia. I think it will be useful again after same facelifting. Are there any special policies with bots here? I think I need a new account in first step. --[[User:2F13|2F13]] ([[User talk:2F13|talk]]) 05:22, October 22, 2018 (EDT)
  
::A list or a table is enough, I think [[User:T-Mac|T-Mac]] ([[User talk:T-Mac|talk]]) 15:49, August 1, 2016 (EDT)
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''[[User:Abbot|Abbot]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s first function is almost ready. I just have a question before it starts to work. There is no [[Wikisimpsons:Manual_of_Style|style guide]] for quotes so I don't know if the colon after name should be bold. ('''Krusty:''' … vs '''Krusty''': …). Do you have any preference? If not, I make bold colons. --[[User:2F13|2F13]] ([[User talk:2F13|talk]]) 02:47, October 23, 2018 (EDT)
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:Yep, colons should be bold. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 06:37, October 23, 2018 (EDT)
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::I guess constructions like [[The Secret War of Lisa Simpson/Quotes|this]] should be also changed:
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::: '''Instructor''' [to Bart]: Since you've already attended public school…
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::to
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::: '''Instructor:''' ''[to Bart]'' Since you've already attended public school…
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:: BTW. What about a new template called qf (quote from) that could do indentation, and typesetting in ine step? <code><nowiki>{{qf|Instructor}}</nowiki></code> --[[User:2F13|2F13]] ([[User talk:2F13|talk]]) 12:20, October 23, 2018 (EDT)
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:::If you could figure out a way to make an easy to use template, that'll be great. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 12:58, October 23, 2018 (EDT)
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:::: Here you are:<br>{{qf|Instructor}} ''[to Bart]'' Since you've already attended public school…<br>[[User:2F13|2F13]] ([[User talk:2F13|talk]]) 06:09, November 3, 2018 (EDT)
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:::::{{qf|[[User:Mythigator|Mythigator]]}} ''[enthusiastically]'' I like it! -- [[User:Mythigator|Mythigator]] ([[User talk:Mythigator|talk]]) 14:48, November 3, 2018 (EDT)
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Would you mind to have a sight on Abbot's [[Special:Contributions/Abbot|first few edits]]? It does most of the tasks with Quotes pages. (A lot of things must be done manually even.) --[[User:2F13|2F13]] ([[User talk:2F13|talk]]) 14:55, November 3, 2018 (EDT)
  
:::The stubbier pages could probably be merged into a table. --[[User:Nick97|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup>  22:41, August 16, 2016 (EDT)
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== Wikisimpsons.css skin proposal ==
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[[File:Wikisimpsons css skin proposal.png|200px|thumb|Sample page ([https://static.simpsonswiki.com/images/e/ea/Wikisimpsons_css_skin_proposal.png full size])]]
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Dear Wikisimpsons users,
  
::::The problem is, most of these pages are stubs. One or two lines at most. We might as well just make a Foreign broadcasters page and list them there by country. That makes the most sense to me. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 14:15, August 17, 2016 (EDT)
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For some days I've been using and improving a custom Wikisimpsons.css skin (shown in the picture). The wiki has been using the yellow theme for quite some time and I'm aware that color is part of its essence. I wanted, however, to try this new alternative which I found acceptable enough to make this proposal for an update of the wiki skin.
  
:::::I think a table (on a "Foreign broadcasters" page, of course) would be neater, personally. You could just have slots in it for the channel name, country, years active and maybe whether it broadcasts new episodes or only reruns. That would cover all the important information, I think. --[[User:Nick97|'''<font color=darkorange>Nick97</font>''']] <sup>([[User talk:Nick97|<font color=peach>'''talk'''</font>]] ~ [[Special:Contributions/Nick97|<font color=turquoise>'''contribs'''</font>]])</sup>  09:14, August 18, 2016 (EDT)
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I would appreciate it if you could give it a try by copying [[User:Simpsons88/wikisimpsons.css|this code]] and pasting it in [[Special:Mypage/wikisimpsons.css|{{USERNAME}}/wikisimpsons.css]], and then surfing the wiki a little bit to check it out. You can return, of course, to the normal skin by deleting the pasted code and leaving a blank page.
  
== Ask a question ==
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The skin could be easily adapted to Christmas and Halloween themes by using the files Simp2 Christmas.png and Halloween bg.png.
  
Does page https://answers.simpsonswiki.com/ask work? Weeks ago I posted a question but I don't see it at all. --[[User:2F13|2F13]] ([[User talk:2F13|talk]]) 10:56, June 19, 2016 (EDT)
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What do you guys think of it? Any feedback is welcomed. Thanks for your time, --[[User:Simpsons88|Simpsons88]] ([[User talk:Simpsons88|talk]]) 14:49, March 22, 2021 (EDT)
:Yes, it works. Due to a large amount of spam, questions need to be approved. I haven't done so in about a week (your question was posted a week ago). I have approved them now. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 11:55, June 19, 2016 (EDT)
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:Honestly, I feel that the current design we have looks cleaner and more modern. The cloud background was a product of its time. And it feels like there's too much going on with it. Plus, we'd most likely have to update templates and other stuff to make it all work properly. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 19:38, March 22, 2021 (EDT)
:Just to add, once you've had at least one question approved (as you now have), the system will allow you to post new questions immediately without the need for staff approval. --[[User:Jake|<span style="color:#008000;font-weight:bold;">Ja</span>]][[User_talk:Jake|<span style="color:#E58900;font-weight:bold;">ke</span>]] 15:56, June 19, 2016 (EDT)
 
::Fine, thanks. :-) --[[User:2F13|2F13]] ([[User talk:2F13|talk]]) 01:44, June 21, 2016 (EDT)
 
 
 
 
 
== Category membership ==
 
 
 
I think if an image is member of any subcategory of [[:Category:Images]] then it should not be duplicated in [[:Category:Images]] itself too. Especially I mean 30413 members of [[:Category:Images_by_license_(fair_use)]] also appear in endless list of 31367 simple "Images". --[[User:2F13|2F13]] ([[User talk:2F13|talk]]) 01:49, June 23, 2016 (EDT)
 
:I feel like it's best to have all images in once place so Category:Images should have them all in. Having images in subcategories alone will usually result in some being missed if any bot tasks need to be performed on them. This is the same reason we have all characters in one category, all locations, episodes etc. <span style="font-family:Algerian">[[User:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:green">The</span>]] [[User talk:Solar Dragon|<span style="color:red">Solar</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Solar Dragon|<span style="color:blue">Dragon</span>]]</span> 05:49, June 23, 2016 (EDT)
 
 
 
== SNPP ==
 
 
 
Tons of information can be found on [http://www.simpsonsarchive.com/ late SNPP]. My favourite is the ''"Didja notice …"'' section in the episode capsules. :-) I don't say we should copy everything from SNPP into this wiki but I suggest to place links pointing to this good old site serving for more than a decade. --[[User:2F13|2F13]] ([[User talk:2F13|talk]]) 02:39, July 10, 2016 (EDT)
 
:Whenever we use content from SNPP, we always leave a link to the source in the References section of that article. We also have a dedicated article on [[The Simpsons Archive]] itself. --[[User:Jake|<span style="color:#008000;font-weight:bold;">Ja</span>]][[User_talk:Jake|<span style="color:#E58900;font-weight:bold;">ke</span>]] 16:32, July 10, 2016 (EDT)
 

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Wiki discussion is the place where major discussions and decisions can be made. Larger discussions will have their own pages but smaller discussions will go here.

Linking policy

There are tons of episode/Quotes pages (see Category:Quotes) where linking differs from other pages:

  • character names in front of lines are all links instead of first occurence
  • no other links occur in the text

Is this normal? --2F13 (talk) 06:26, October 6, 2018 (EDT)

It should be first instance of a link gets linked, rather than every instance. If every instance has a link, they should be removed. The Solar Dragon 07:41, October 6, 2018 (EDT)
Yes I think so. I checked again a few random pages and I see that there are much less overlinked one I thought first. It is AleWi who has a different concept with links. I do not want to destroy his work unwisely. I left him a notice about this discussion. --2F13 (talk) 09:52, October 6, 2018 (EDT)
If it helps ... When I work on Quotes pages, I generally link a character's name in its first occurrence in a block of dialogue. A good example is Lisa the Vegetarian/Quotes. This can result in every character name, or almost character every name, being linked if the quotes page consists largely of one-liners. For that reason, plus the fact that having too many links tends to make a Quotes page look cluttered (IMO), when I build a Quotes page I try to avoid one-liners and instead have at least three or four lines in each block of dialogue. This can result in the block division being a bit arbitrary, as I may end up having to split the blocks wherever it "feels" right instead of going by hard-and-fast rules. An example of a Quotes page where I had to take that approach is The Man of the House/Quotes. That's probably more than you wanted to know about the art of building Quotes pages, but I hope it's helpful. -- Mythigator (talk) 11:05, October 6, 2018 (EDT)

Okay. It seems I may uniform the quotes pages. Decade ago I had a bot editing the big Wikipedia. I think it will be useful again after same facelifting. Are there any special policies with bots here? I think I need a new account in first step. --2F13 (talk) 05:22, October 22, 2018 (EDT)

Abbot's first function is almost ready. I just have a question before it starts to work. There is no style guide for quotes so I don't know if the colon after name should be bold. (Krusty: … vs Krusty: …). Do you have any preference? If not, I make bold colons. --2F13 (talk) 02:47, October 23, 2018 (EDT)

Yep, colons should be bold. The Solar Dragon 06:37, October 23, 2018 (EDT)
I guess constructions like this should be also changed:
Instructor [to Bart]: Since you've already attended public school…
to
Instructor: [to Bart] Since you've already attended public school…
BTW. What about a new template called qf (quote from) that could do indentation, and typesetting in ine step? {{qf|Instructor}} --2F13 (talk) 12:20, October 23, 2018 (EDT)
If you could figure out a way to make an easy to use template, that'll be great. The Solar Dragon 12:58, October 23, 2018 (EDT)
Here you are:
Instructor: [to Bart] Since you've already attended public school…
2F13 (talk) 06:09, November 3, 2018 (EDT)
Mythigator: [enthusiastically] I like it! -- Mythigator (talk) 14:48, November 3, 2018 (EDT)

Would you mind to have a sight on Abbot's first few edits? It does most of the tasks with Quotes pages. (A lot of things must be done manually even.) --2F13 (talk) 14:55, November 3, 2018 (EDT)

Wikisimpsons.css skin proposal

Sample page (full size)

Dear Wikisimpsons users,

For some days I've been using and improving a custom Wikisimpsons.css skin (shown in the picture). The wiki has been using the yellow theme for quite some time and I'm aware that color is part of its essence. I wanted, however, to try this new alternative which I found acceptable enough to make this proposal for an update of the wiki skin.

I would appreciate it if you could give it a try by copying this code and pasting it in User/wikisimpsons.css, and then surfing the wiki a little bit to check it out. You can return, of course, to the normal skin by deleting the pasted code and leaving a blank page.

The skin could be easily adapted to Christmas and Halloween themes by using the files Simp2 Christmas.png and Halloween bg.png.

What do you guys think of it? Any feedback is welcomed. Thanks for your time, --Simpsons88 (talk) 14:49, March 22, 2021 (EDT)

Honestly, I feel that the current design we have looks cleaner and more modern. The cloud background was a product of its time. And it feels like there's too much going on with it. Plus, we'd most likely have to update templates and other stuff to make it all work properly. The Solar Dragon 19:38, March 22, 2021 (EDT)