Difference between revisions of "Talk:Sarah Wiggum"

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Non Canon[edit]

Since Uncut Femmes has been established as non canon, and the fact Sarah is back to normal as of the first episode of Season 33, can my edit of this page from September 4th be reverted back? Duderocks5539 (talk) 23:26, December 9, 2021 (EST)

I will work on it. The Solar Dragon 06:58, December 10, 2021 (EST)

Just added additional appearances and a few other things. Looks like some troll hijacked the page the other day and put stuff like "Milf" and other stuff lmao. You guys got on it right away though. Prop's to your guy's management of this wiki. Duderocks5539 (talk) 19:56, December 10, 2021 (EST)

Continuity of the characterization and personality Retcon[edit]

In the Season 33 finale, Sarah is in the retconned fashion again personality wise at the beginning of the episode, which is like a rebel say like Shauna, that likes to drink I guess, but her original design is back, but Megan Mullaly is doing the voice again. Now the episode was considered non canon as well, but maybe the page can be tweaked somewhat since we don't know if this retcon will keep going, or if she will eventually revert back to being a Wiggum with the Wiggumy traits and personalities. They did do a similar change with Barney years back with making him sober for a while before reverting him back, and I suppose this will be the same eventually as well since it costs money to bring Celebrity Megan Mullaly in even to do short speaking roles when she has more important roles to do in other shows of which I'm sure she would rather do that and get paid more, as well as the fact that Sarah is a side character and not a really important character as the main focuses of course are our 5 main players and other more important side characters, and the effort would be more put into that stuff. At this point Sarah has 2 separate personalities despite only being shown in this fashion 2 times with the first time being a body design change as well which was sexist tbh, but even in the non speaking appearances when she returned as a cameo starting in the episode beginning of this past season along with design, she is in her sweets and sugars friendly and happy mood which she always has been of which that's consistent even in this finale episode when she's not talking, its just when she speaks she's this different character. But the personality and traits she has had since her debut is really truly the canon personality of her since its the most consistent compared to this retcon.

I'd say we should make a part on this page that explains the retcon and inconsistent characteristics from what has been established in the past, and Matt Selman once said this as well as a general statement, "We're not saying this is the official continuity now, and none of that other stuff happened. We're just saying that this is a silly way to present the character’s life. It doesn't mean that the people's beloved episodes from the past didn't happen. They all kind of happened in their imaginary world, you know, and people can choose to love whichever version they love." Now I'm iffy on a lot of stuff Matt Selman says as he is known to not make a whole lot of sense on certain things along with no logic, such as his Canon Non Canon argument, or even this retcon, but anyways, we should look into this, and me personally I refuse to believe this retcon is Sarah as this is just not her type of character compared to what she has always been, and its down right disrespectful to even Pamala Hayden by getting a celebrity VA to destroy a character by breathing a dark poisonous mean spirited attitude and life into one of her characters which has been established more emotionally and by actions rather then dialog such as also for example with Gloria Prince. I would think eventually her original self and voice will return eventually as if non of this retcon stuff happened. Duderocks5539 (talk) 20:27, June 5, 2022 (EDT)

Dude, calm down. There's no need to add a section about this. Characters have different voice actors sometimes. What is your problem? The Solar Dragon 06:59, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

Huh? Just saying maybe there should be a section that explains this that's all. I 'am calm, why you say that just because I typed out a suggestion? Duderocks5539 (talk) 14:32, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

Sarah Wiggum had no personality. So we can't say how her personality changed. She was just a background character with minor speaking parts until recently. The Solar Dragon 15:56, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

That doesn't make any sense, of course she did, she just didn't get a whole lot of screen time because as I've said, she's not the focus of the show, but that doesn't automatically mean she doesn't have one which to not have one isn't even possible. She can speak, and she has emotions and does actions, those of which define of ones personality. That was Matt Selman's argument which of course is going to spread to others that don't even know her name or even realize she does have a character, but are too closed minded to realize that, which is a load of BS that makes no sense and it was just an excuse to get a celebrity voice actor in, and to hide the fact they retconned her in a sexist way by making her look and sound "sexy" and giving her a "sexy" role of which the backstory was retconned even on Clancy's part as their story was touched on a while ago, which has stayed consistent just like with her Wiggumy characteristics and voice, of which they deleted entirely with this retcon. Clearly Selman has no idea on what makes one's personality, and I would like to hear what he thinks defines a personality. And if she has "No Personality" why has even others said she was retconned? That means she was something before, and she surely isn't a sexpot jewelry thief, and a rebel like Shauna or something which makes her just an irresponsible mother as well as wife, and just a mean spirited cocky person who is just unlikeable. Not to mention so disrespectful to Pamala Hayden as she has been doing the voice even before Matt Selman came on the show as a writer. A bit hypocritical for them claiming to be PC by canceling Apu and recasting all non white characters, but yet this is PC though by making her look and sound sexy and giving her a role like this?

Atleast in the Brandine episode which was an Al Jean ran episode, they didn't retcon Brandine as a whole and recast her, because Jean has been with the show since the start and actually respects the VA's and even characters. Yeah sure the twist of being smart with books is odd, but it does feel natural since most hill billies after all aren't the brightest apple on the tree when it comes to things like this, and it could be something that can naturally happen that is logical. They also retconned her backstory and Cletus's, but even then, that story felt natural despite being a retcon, unlike with Sarah which is the exact opposite on all of this. Also idk if you noticed in that same episode, but Lindsey Nagel is sitting next to Sarah at Marge's book club meeting as if nothing ever happened despite they are supposedly enemies, and also another thing that is consistent is the fact that Sarah has been friends with Marge for a long time now and has been seen with Marge in groups in several episodes, she was never shy and could only piece 2 words together, and then suddenly become this out of nowhere new character. Its an illogical retconned fueled mess, and it reeks disrespect especially on Hayden's end, and its baffling not many others have realized how just sick and twisted this is and haven't called out Matt for this. Duderocks5539 (talk) 17:55, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

Just because you find Sarah Wiggum sexy now doesn't mean we have to add a section to the article about it. The Solar Dragon 17:58, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

Your not understanding what I meant, "I" as in "Me" never said she is sexy, I'm saying "They" as in the show and more specifically Matt Selman made her look sexy which is screwed up and hypocritical. I'm against all of this retconning with her. All I'm saying is there is 2 different versions of the character now despite the new character only have been appearing 2 times at this point and not really knowing if it will continue for a long time, like for example in my first message above in regards to them changing Barney for a while by making him Sober, and then reverting him back to his original character which is why I suggested maybe a section on this page can explain this reboot to her. I potentially worded things wrong which might've confused you with what I meant, but I never said I think she's sexy, I personally hate this retcon with a burning passion, its horrible on all levels and is out of character as to who she is related to which is Clancy and Ralph, and the logic to back it up by Matt Selman holds zero weight or logic to it, and its especially disrespectful to Hayden as a talented voice actor. Hopefully I cleared up confusion. Duderocks5539 (talk) 18:29, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

We're not going to be making any changes to the page about this other than what has already been made. I suggest you drop this. Also, you seem to be the only one with a problem about it. The Solar Dragon 18:31, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

That's perfectly fine, but just thought I'd let you know and just give out a suggestion that's all, and there are plenty of people out there that are against the retcon and voice change, I'm only one of them. Duderocks5539 (talk) 19:53, June 6, 2022 (EDT)

Thought I'd jump in on this topic of discussion as someone also iffy on this subject and retcon at that matter. Duderocks actually has a point, that whole no personality thing is just something most have, including yourself, repeated from Matt Selman, of which that claim of his holds no merit. Speaking of Matt Selman, I listened to a podcast recently by Warren and Brandon of SimpsonsIsGreaterThen of which they interview Matt Selman, and around the halfway mark, the 3 discuss continuity and canon and all of that, and Matt Selman said that Sarah used to talk and sound differently and had a different personality before the retcon. So, him admitting it should end the whole no personality argument started by fans that are just repeated from Matt. And your claim of Duderocks being the "only" one that disputes it is weak as well, I for one am not really a fan of it either, but, I have seen a countless number of others on online Forums, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, etc disputing it as well. Here is the link to the podcast for reference, which is around the 30:50 mark where he says it: https://simpsonsisgreaterthan.buzzsprout.com/1289483/11655586-episode-69-matt-selman Definitely check these guys out though, good stuff. 2600:1700:CBD0:2040:C057:751C:35B8:9E94 19:12, November 15, 2022 (EST)

(Resetting indent) Okay, that's enough of this now. This conversation isn't about the article any more. So, just drop this. The Solar Dragon 06:44, November 16, 2022 (EST)

Why the attitude? Don't like being corrected on such a silly statement? 2600:1700:CBD0:2040:40F4:C83:8BE6:A408 22:10, November 17, 2022 (EST)